Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah its requires the most physical prowess of any of the 7 forms imo.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Which is why he dueled Sidious for several minutes. Any idea of Yoda's endurance problems were thrown right out the window when he and Sidious fought several minutes.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Dooku's one of the if not the greatest master of Makashi in history. He's the definition of effective, calculative and being refined in combat, and yet he retreated from Yoda, twice, once even with the old Master wounded.
HoT is also on a whole new level in comparison to Dooku.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
So wounded Yoda>arguably the greatest Makashi master on a Dark Side nexus.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Highly doubtful considering no one in the mythos has managed that.
Dooku pulled down some rocks on Yoda and Sidious hurled some pods towards Yoda.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
None of which are admissible in the context of a versus forum. Also Yoda disarmed with the man who utterly fodderized thee of the greatest blade masters the Jedi Order has ever produced.
Vitiate's actions during his second confrontation with HoT confirms that esoteric talents can be utilized in combat situations just like other talents. Sith arts aren't so black and white as you presume them to be.
Vitiate's first known Council-purging feat reveals that he have extremely potent but mysterious abilities up his sleeve which makes sense keeping in mind his utmost dedication to acquiring mastery of the dark side.
You can't just dismiss feats of characters without basis.
Yoda have his moments of demonstrating great power as well. Should I dismiss those feats?
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Uhh because Yoda has superior TK showings to the Emperor. He threw around 300meter vessels fully loaded with thousands of battle droids and several tanks with mere gestures.
Vitiate's peak telekinetic prowess is unknown at the moment but he is likely to be above Yoda in this department in the light of his holistic picture.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Jesus people sure do misread quotes. Its not that Windu, Anakin and Yoda weren't capable of defeating Grievous. Its that Kenobi was the best choice to defeat Grievous.
I would argue that Yoda would have reduced Grievous to spare parts with a wave of his hand.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Red herring. If Darth Sidious blasted anyone who was off guard with lightning it'd be their undoing.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
And Yoda did not on his mission to Coruscant when he cut through a battalion of the most elite soldiers in the galaxy to get to the Jedi Temple.
HoT faced extremely high-profile opposition in comparison on Dromund Kaas involving troops, Sith and Imperial Guards.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
The only person in history to land a blow on Yoda is Darth Tyranus, and that was because he was concerned with a hostage. The HoT has absolutely nothing suggesting he can match even Sidious in a saber duel, let alone the Jedi who was able to disarm him of his lightsaber. Yoda has force feats that utterly crush his and swordsmanship that shits on his. Again Yoda disarmed the man who utterly crushed three of the greatest swordsmen the order has ever produced.
I wouldn't underestimate HoT's abilities in the manner as you do. Heck, you think nothing of Vitiate so I am not surprised.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Cool story bro.
What stories have you been reading?
Originally posted by Lord Stark
And Yoda could have killed Sidious when he disarmed him and shoving his lightning back in his face but for some erroneous reason jumps to a different pod. But that's entirely irrelevant to the current discussion.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
That being said there's a VERY good reason Sidious elects to run from Yoda rather than face him in direct combat.
Yoda is old and gets winded just by walking and requires a glider to keep up with Windu and Kenobi when he's not using the force to aid his movements. Feeling the affects of fighting some of the fastest and most skilled duelists around for a little over 30 seconds or over a minute after he's no longer using the force does absolutely nothing to indicate how long he can last while using the force.
Is there anything to suggest that the HoT can keep up with Yoda in any area of combat? Because simply being powerful, fighting lots of people, and Yoda being winded after fighting the likes of Dooku and Sidious, does not suggest HoT can match an opponent who has mastery over all 7 forms of saber combat and can match the speed of someone who can blitz master swordsmen, all of whom have high reputations, extremely good accolades, and/or above average feats in regards to either dueling or speed. I went through Neph's respect thread, and I've seen nothing to suggest he's Yoda's level, just that he's likely someone whom Yoda can't just paralyze with a mere gesture, but Yoda does seem to hold an advantage in just the force as well, IMO.
Sidious can toy around with "one of the most skilled sith in history" while at the same time casually fend off the strength of Savage (who has disarmed many force users via sheer strength) for several minutes without getting tired, and even Yoda has an edge over Sidious in sabers. It's just hard to imagine that just anyone is on Yoda's level.
NewGuy, you're one of the best at comparing at contrasting character feats, so if you can go through my posts, break it down, and enlighten me a bit, I would appreciate it. I want to know why most place HoT on Yoda's level.
NewGuy, you're one of the best at comparing at contrasting character feats, so if you can go through my posts, break it down, and enlighten me a bit, I would appreciate it. I want to know why most place HoT on Yoda's level.
Well, despite the fact that the Hero himself holds a plethora of his own feats and achievements, the singular reason he is commonly placed in Yoda's calibre is almost solely due to his victory in opposition of Lord Vitiate, and his status as the greatest Jedi of his day. It's really about Vitiate's hype rather than the Hero's truthfully.
The HoT's own personal accomplishments to support him are largely overlooked, but were addressed in Nephthy's thread. If you are looking for some key element that places the Hero in Palpatine's ballpark though, you aren't going to find it.
I myself agree with your initial observation/speculation, being that the Hero of Tython is definitely among the few that are both powerful and skilled enough to hold their ground against Yoda, but he's not truly on even standings with our green friend. I would however personally attribute him to being in the upper tiers with Mace Windu or Anakin Skywalker, for he really has accomplished a lot and proven himself many times against the most formidable adversaries of his day, and overcoming Vitiate is no small task. I honestly don't think there is much I can attribute to him that you wouldn't already know from Nephthys, though.
its a spite thread HoT is way over blown and in all honesty should have 0 fans. His so called fans are just dabating him because power for powers sake, they don't like his/her character because they don't know what his/her character is. And since he/she has nothing to bring him/her down to earth he/she is prime overblowing material. Its actually getting really annoying
Originally posted by WildBantha88
its a spite thread HoT is way over blown and in all honesty should have 0 fans. His so called fans are just dabating him because power for powers sake, they don't like his/her character because they don't know what his/her character is. And since he/she has nothing to bring him/her down to earth he/she is prime overblowing material. Its actually getting really annoying
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious can toy around with "one of the most skilled sith in history" while at the same time casually fend off the strength of Savage (who has disarmed many force users via sheer strength) for several minutes without getting tired, and even Yoda has an edge over Sidious in sabers. It's just hard to imagine that just anyone is on Yoda's level.
The HoT isn't "just anyone", so there's your answer.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
its a spite thread HoT is way over blown and in all honesty should have 0 fans. His so called fans are just dabating him because power for powers sake, they don't like his/her character because they don't know what his/her character is. And since he/she has nothing to bring him/her down to earth he/she is prime overblowing material. Its actually getting really annoying
Originally posted by carthage
Game mechanics, customizability, and hype and voila you have a TOR super jedi ala Revan and HoT.Yoda destroys