Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
For round 1 can't Naruto just make some of those Kyuubi clones and have them spam Rasenshurikens and Rasengan variants?
Exactly my thought. Those clones are just too strong to fight in groups.
Also I'm not sure how fast Doflamingo is but could he intercept Naruto with those strings?
Maybe some of the time, but chakra-mode Naruto is iirc faster than anyone in OP who doesn't turn into lightning or light.
For what we've seen, Doflamingo chops Naruto into pieces. He's fast enough to react to Sanji without any problem, beating the crap out of Law (who has some uber feats), and has a huge damage output.
That said, we haven't seen his full power, he might have some distinctive weaknesses that Naruto can exploit with his versatility. It would be a fight anyways.
For what we've seen, Doflamingo chops Naruto into pieces. He's fast enough to react to Sanji without any problem, beating the crap out of Law (who has some uber feats), and has a huge damage output.
Naruto could, seriously, beat all three at the same time, and has much higher damage output than what all of them have done combined.
Naruto's faster than Sanji, and his chakra cloak gives him much better protection. Law has some nice hax but much lower damage output than Naruto. Naruto's tricker than them, and can be 9 S-class ninja at the same time before he even partnered with Kurama.
Originally posted by Q99
Naruto could, seriously, beat all three at the same time, and has much higher damage output than what all of them have done combined.Naruto's faster than Sanji, and his chakra cloak gives him much better protection. Law has some nice hax but much lower damage output than Naruto. Naruto's tricker than them, and can be 9 S-class ninja at the same time before he even partnered with Kurama.
Naruto's vaunted speed has failed to dominate Obito, who in turn has been tagged by "slower" characters. I'm assuming the speed advantage isn't massive either way because otherwise we'll be stuck discussing speed forever.
What's Naruto's best durability feat with his shroud? I think Doflamingo's best bet is his superior range and movement (through flight), unless Naruto can tank a few hits I think he has the advantage. Destructive power isn't everything.
well doflamingo reacted to a meteor with increased gravity on it at point blank range and cut it up with ease, just shock. flying isnt really a big factor IMO because using strongs to fly and fight would be difficult when you have naruto as an opponent. also, he has haoshoku haki, which should dominate the will of all his shadow clones, and make them disappear. this fight, i think, is just whos ever good enough to react to the others abilities and counter should win.
Naruto's vaunted speed has failed to dominate Obito, who in turn has been tagged by "slower" characters.
So? Obito's got his phase-hax thing, in addition to being high jonin-fast. The phase hax means that pure speed isn't enough to tag him- if you hit too soon, you miss. It's about perfect timing. Doflamingo has nothing like that.
Also, everyone who's tagged him is still either high-jonin or S-class speed, and most of them only do so by self-destructing or doing a mutual hit, so it's not like he's ever been hit by a slowpoke. Only Minato's really gotten a flat-out clean hit on him, and Minato... yea, much much faster than Doflam.
And, again, not just one Naruto. He can do a bunch of himself at that speed, easily.
What's Naruto's best durability feat with his shroud?
With his full cloak? Deflecting 6 nuclear-level blasts at once.
Destructive power isn't everything.
Destructive power, speed, and numbers in just Kyuubi-chakra mode before he even got full partnership with Kurama.
Overwhelming destructive power, speed, numbers, overwhelming defense in full partnership with Kurama.
Current Naruto could overwhelm the entire Shichibukai, let alone just Doflamingo.
Luffygearhe has haoshoku haki, which should dominate the will of all his shadow clones, and make them disappear.
The clone wouldn't have any weaker will than Naruto, they'd laugh at that.
Reacting to a lightning attack =/= being as fast as lightning. It just requires anticipating where it's coming, via weather knowledge, haki, or observing your opponents.
Every regular here should know that by now.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
But haven't One Piece people been tagged by things not as fast as lightning?
With regularity.
Originally posted by Q99
With his full cloak? Deflecting 6 nuclear-level blasts at once.
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He should take it with the cloak, I don't think Doflamingo's control will work through such a big area.
Originally posted by Q99
Destructive power, speed, and numbers in just Kyuubi-chakra mode before he even got full partnership with Kurama
Numbers won't provide a proper defense against Doflamingo, who has a very high range advantage (in the fight where Naruto cannot use his cloak). For me the battle hinges in Naruto being able to mount a defense against hits that are ranged and will kill him if they tag him.
Originally posted by Q99
So? Obito's got his phase-hax thing, in addition to being high jonin-fast. The phase hax means that pure speed isn't enough to tag him- if you hit too soon, you miss. It's about perfect timing. Doflamingo has nothing like that.
Originally posted by Q99
Current Naruto could overwhelm the entire Shichibukai, let alone just Doflamingo.
I call BS in the second statement, Moria by himself can mimick the Obito phasing that -an admittedly weakened- Naruto was incapable of beating by himself. Let's not even talk about hax Kuma, who will project the Kyubi's chakra into another country and leave Naruto helpless in a single move.
Numbers won't provide a proper defense against Doflamingo, who has a very high range advantage (in the fight where Naruto cannot use his cloak).
Not really, Naruto still has rasenshuriken for range. He can also do mini rasenshuriken once he can manipulate chakra arms.
Plus he can close really, really fast and turn it into a melee fight. He's also know to throw either himself or his clones at enemies as living projectiles.
. For me the battle hinges in Naruto being able to mount a defense against hits that are ranged and will kill him if they tag him.
Defense 1- Clones mean that Doflamingo is probably attacking the wrong target.
Defense 2- Getting out of the way, he successfully dodged A's rush attack after all.
Defense 3- Blocking with chakra arms.
Defense 4- Whatever toughness he's got, which is probably at least as good as Sage mode.
Defense 5- Rapid regen anyway.
I call BS in the second statement, Moria by himself can mimick the Obito phasing that -an admittedly weakened- Naruto was incapable of beating by himself. Let's not even talk about hax Kuma, who will project the Kyubi's chakra into another country and leave Naruto helpless in a single move.
No, Moria can phase to escape but he does not have Obito's on/off switch rapid phasing, which is the part that made Obito's tricky. Not even remotely similar even talking defensive capability. Nor does he have Obito's 'warp you away' move. Moria is a complete chump to Naruto. A single clone could beat him.
Kuma- Clone one attacks from the front. Clone two from the back. Clone three from the side. Four from the other side. That's just the most sure method. He may simply be able to avoid Kuma's paws all together. Chakra arms means he could push a rasengan at Kuma and when Kuma tries to block, re-angle it around the paw.
Or just make 6 rasengan and have 6 chakra arms all shove them coming from different angles... a move Naruto's done before.
Thinking about it, he might even be a one-clone foe too. A Kyuubi-chakra clone is faster than Zoro, and has a way to attack from multiple angles at once.
I just started watching OP, I was mainly a fanboy for Crocodile and didn't pay much attention past that though all of the Strawhats were cool. I'm at the Punk Hazard part and I know Doflamingo is supposed to be a powerful enemy but what can he do exactly? I'm not questioning his presence in this fight, just wondering what powers/abilities does he have.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I just started watching OP, I was mainly a fanboy for Crocodile and didn't pay much attention past that though all of the Strawhats were cool. I'm at the Punk Hazard part and I know Doflamingo is supposed to be a powerful enemy but what can he do exactly? I'm not questioning his presence in this fight, just wondering what powers/abilities does he have.
Invisible strings. He can control someone like a puppet, or cut them with it. Plus he's just a physically strong fighter.
Originally posted by Q99
No, Moria can phase to escape but he does not have Obito's on/off switch rapid phasing, which is the part that made Obito's tricky. Not even remotely similar even talking defensive capability. Nor does he have Obito's 'warp you away' move. Moria is a complete chump to Naruto. A single clone could beat him.
Moria has rapid phasing, he can switch part of his body with his shadow at will. He also has a one-hit move with his scissors. Not saying he beats Naruto in a straight fight, but he'd one-shot a clone if he was fighting seriously (which he wasn't against the SWs).
Originally posted by Q99
Kuma- Clone one attacks from the front. Clone two from the back. Clone three from the side. Four from the other side. That's just the most sure method. He may simply be able to avoid Kuma's paws all together. Chakra arms means he could push a rasengan at Kuma and when Kuma tries to block, re-angle it around the paw..Or just make 6 rasengan and have 6 chakra arms all shove them coming from different angles... a move Naruto's done before.
Kuma has haki (which means he'll predict any clones Naruto might try to sneak in an attack) and can teleport at will. His attacks have huge range. Simply put, he's more versatile than Naruto and more threatening than regular Obito by a mile. Kuma can solo the team that Obito was facing. He already soloed the Strawhats. Kuma is a teamwrecker and your idea of a clone soloing him is ridiculous.
I rank Naruto pretty high in the Naruto verse, he might beat Doflamingo -as far as I've seen, he has the Tools to do it-, but he's a powerless target against the Tyrant. Kuma is broken in half.
Originally posted by Q99I fixed that for you.
Lightning-timing One Piece characters are inconvenient to me so I am going to deny it happens.
Kalifa also could react to and perceive lightning conjured by Nami.
Blueno, who is stronger than Kalifa, could not follow G2 Luffy's Jet Pistol.
Luffy > Lightning.