donquixote doflamingo vs naruto uzumaki

Originally posted by NemeBro
I fixed that for you.

Kalifa also could react to and perceive lightning conjured by Nami.

Blueno, who is stronger than Kalifa, could not follow G2 Luffy's Jet Pistol.

Luffy > Lightning.

Lemme put it this way: The actual speed feats of their bodies moving around are consistently less than the speed feats of Naruto characters.

And high-tier One Piece characters both use and have been hit by guns and other much slower attacks, if the shooter is sufficiently skilled.

And One Piece characters consistently take noticeable amounts of time to cover short distances like crossing Thriller Bark or Marineford or so on. It's been central to most story arcs, even.

And lemme also note that I've made this lightning-speed argument about multiple other series before, including Naruto (remember for a moment that Kakashi's said to have cleaved a real lightning bolt with raikiri), but most famously with Negima.

Avoiding something fast has never meant being that fast oneself.

The argument's not in the least bit inconvenient for me. I mean, if I accepted it, it's a simple matter of, "Kakashi's a 'lightning timer,' Naruto's capable of moving much faster, case closed." It's just that it's an argument based on misunderstanding the difference between avoiding something fast and being that fast oneself.

Originally posted by Q99
Lemme put it this way: The actual speed feats of their bodies moving around are consistently less than the speed feats of Naruto characters.

I don't care how fast they can run. Donquixote has ranged attacks.

And high-tier One Piece characters both use and have been hit by guns and other much slower attacks, if the shooter is sufficiently skilled.

The technology in OP is in many ways better than our own. The firearms are also able to harm people who can take island-cracking punches to the skull. Would you deny their durability feats as well?

And One Piece characters consistently take noticeable amounts of time to cover short distances like crossing Thriller Bark or Marineford or so on. It's been central to most story arcs, even.

Already covered.

And lemme also note that I've made this lightning-speed argument about multiple other series before, including Naruto (remember for a moment that Kakashi's said to have cleaved a real lightning bolt with raikiri), but most famously with Negima.

Kakashi's feat has the dubious quality of being off-panel and anecdotal IIRC.

Negima is more legitimate, because we know for a fact that it has lightning timers. Negi actually turns into the stuff, Evangeline and Fate could cleanly react to it, and Jack Rakan apparently came back faster, since he dodged something that some dude who had the same ability as Negi did not.

Avoiding something fast has never meant being that fast oneself.

It depends on how close one is to the attack and when they react to it.

But more importantly, we have a direct comparison between G2 Luffy and lightning. Blueno could not follow Luffy's movement. Kalifa could follow Nami's lightning.

The argument's not in the least bit inconvenient for me. I mean, if I accepted it, it's a simple matter of, "Kakashi's a 'lightning timer,' Naruto's capable of moving much faster, case closed." It's just that it's an argument based on misunderstanding the difference between avoiding something fast and being that fast oneself.

Read above.

I don't care how fast they can run. Donquixote has ranged attacks.

So? His ranged attacks won't prevent them from getting into melee... or prevent their ranged attacks.

There's more of them and they're each really, really powerful. Even if we assumed equal speed- which is generous to Doflamingo- the Narutos are still going to win solidly on firepower and the like.

The technology in OP is in many ways better than our own. The firearms are also able to harm people who can take island-cracking punches to the skull. Would you deny their durability feats as well?

Their durability is far more consistent. Their speed has regular low showings at plot important moments.

Even their high-speed moves like soru and gear 2 are much shorter-distant speed bursts than their Naruto equivalents.

Negima is more legitimate, because we know for a fact that it has lightning timers. Negi actually turns into the stuff, Evangeline and Fate could cleanly react to it, and Jack Rakan apparently came back faster, since he dodged something that some dude who had the same ability as Negi did not.

Yep, and it perfectly outlines how someone moving in the mach speeds can react to and fight against lightning.

But more importantly, we have a direct comparison between G2 Luffy and lightning. Blueno could not follow Luffy's movement. Kalifa could follow Nami's lightning

No, Kalifa followed Nami's lightning attack. Big difference.

If one dodges a gunman's fire, does that mean that one can 'follow the bullet'? Of course not.

That's not remotely a direct equivalency.

And there's still the matter of rare outliers vs consistent showings. High-end Naruto characters are consistently fast and can travel distances bigger than entire OP battlefields in moments. We've had multiple cases of characters chasing kilometers in short periods of time. Their high speed is consistent. One Piece's majority speed feats is far less.

Originally posted by Q99
Lemme put it this way: The actual speed feats of their bodies moving around are consistently less than the speed feats of Naruto characters.

not true, luffy dodged a liquid explosion in mid air after he decided to change to gear 2, explosions are like 8,000 m/s and plus he has moved at mach 11.1 in gear third against hody. and he is faster that lightning, greater now than before the timeskip. and is labled massively hypersonic on obd. and kizaru is still lightspeed, no one in naruto can move FTL without terrain manipulation.

[/B][/QUOTE]And high-tier One Piece characters both use and have been hit by guns and other much slower attacks, if the shooter is sufficiently skilled.[/B][/QUOTE]

who, the onlt people ive seen get shot are people below vice- admiral, and usopps enemies, because his sling shot is more efficient than a standard rifle

[i]And One Piece characters consistently take noticeable amounts of time to cover short distances like crossing Thriller Bark or Marineford or so on. It's been central to most story arcs, even.[/B]

they use most of their highest speed in bursts. already covered

Originally posted by Luffygear4
not true, luffy dodged a liquid explosion in mid air after he decided to change to gear 2, explosions are like 8,000 m/s and plus he has moved at mach 11.1 in gear third against hody. and he is faster that lightning, greater now than before the timeskip. and is labled massively hypersonic on obd. and kizaru is still lightspeed, no one in naruto can move FTL without terrain manipulation.

Kizaru's lightspeed is a lot like Minato's teleportation- instant point-to-point, but not how they normally move.

OBD does list OP as hypersonic... and they also consider the top-tier Naruto characters faster than OP characters.

they use most of their highest speed in bursts. already covered

And Naruto's high-speed bursts travel longer distances and top out higher than Luffy's 11.1 mach.

More to the point, it'd be multiple bodies doing so at once.

Originally posted by Q99
Kizaru's lightspeed is a lot like Minato's teleportation- instant point-to-point, but not how they normally move.

OBD does list OP as hypersonic... and they also consider the top-tier Naruto characters faster than OP characters.

And Naruto's high-speed bursts travel longer distances and top out higher than Luffy's 11.1 mach.

More to the point, it'd be multiple bodies doing so at once.

but kizaru can use his lightspeed not only with a short charge, but no kunais thrown all over the place

OBD list OP as massively hypersonic, and the mach 11.1 it of gear 3rd luffy stated in animeshowdown website

Originally posted by Luffygear4
but kizaru can use his lightspeed not only with a short charge, but no kunais thrown all over the place

Not sure what you're saying there with the kunais...

On Kizaru, he turns to light and suddenly he's somewhere else via the Yata Mirror, but his reaction speeds are only in the same league as the other top tier fighters.

In that sense, it's not much different than, say, Haku's mirrors.

OBD list OP as massively hypersonic, and the mach 11.1 it of gear 3rd luffy stated in animeshowdown website

Yes, and I'm saying Naruto is currently faster than that. And in longer bursts too, Luffy only hits high speed over *very* short distances, or else many chases would be much shorter.

Originally posted by Q99
Not sure what you're saying there with the kunais...

On Kizaru, he turns to light and suddenly he's somewhere else via the Yata Mirror, but his reaction speeds are only in the same league as the other top tier fighters.

In that sense, it's not much different than, say, Haku's mirrors.

Yes, and I'm saying Naruto is currently faster than that. And in longer bursts too, Luffy only hits high speed over *very* short distances, or else many chases would be much shorter.

kizaru doesnt need the reflecting thing, just the charge time, hes definitely faster that haku, you didnt say he was slower, but dont wank. also we have seen him react to explosions and lightspeed out of there. also it seems like in Z chArge is faster.

i really dont know if naruto has speed over OP, nor does ODB state, "narutoverse is faster tan OPverse" give me a link, i never saw it. and luffy isnt even the cream of the crop when it comes to one piece, the only waynaruto will deal with people like enel, doflamingo, kuma, and people in that tier is with the cloak, i he wont get past 2 of them, teleport to volcano, or stop his heart with electricity. nnow when it comes to shanks, dragon, kong, i really dont think he can win, but i ave no proof, nor do i want a speed arguement