Proxima Midight vs Thor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Energy absorption requires for CIS to be off?

It's a huge part of Thor's power set and hardly requires for him to be going all out and such.

Thor has abilities and options that Hulk and Hyperion simply do not. This is a fight where he would fair far better then they would. Sorry Carver.

I agree...Thor does have ways of winning more than, Hulk and Hyperion but she can win as well. I'm just giving her the majority due to the flexibility of her weapon. No one is saying (besides Zop Zop) that this is a stomp, Mjlonir is a plot weapon as well...I'm just going by what I've seen from both and their fighting style. Thor charging in using Mjlonir as a club would get him killed here imo.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Originally posted by carver9
I agree...Thor does have ways of winning more than, Hulk and Hyperion but she can win as well. I'm just giving her the majority due to the flexibility of her weapon. No one is saying (besides Zop Zop) that this is a stomp, Mjlonir is a plot weapon as well...I'm just going by what I've seen from both and their fighting style. Thor charging in using Mjlonir as a club would get him killed here imo.

First of all, how would it get him killed? Stabbing him with the weapon would be a problem and blasting him won't be fun but he isn't going to die and he can still counter with Mjolnir. Her spear isn't a one shot win by any means against someone as tough as Thor.

And like I said, energy absorption is fair game so it wins the fight for him. He uses it enough, especially against characters who attack purely through energy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
First of all, how would it get him killed? Stabbing him with the weapon would be a problem and blasting him won't be fun but he isn't going to die and he can still counter with Mjolnir. Her spear isn't a one shot win by any means against someone as tough as Thor.

And like I said, energy absorption is fair game so it wins the fight for him. He uses it enough, especially against characters who attack purely through energy.

Lets just agree to disagree. I hate arguing against Thor anyways.

Originally posted by carver9
Her weapon tagged someone with light speed flight and reaction, can't see Thor overcoming anything like that. Once he is hit, game over.

She got hit in the back while flying away and not looking at all.

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Proxima's stock went up. IMO she just got bumped from maybe high meta/low herald to solidly low herald.

She still got beat up by Luke Cage. She still struggled with Wakanda and a spear. She's still a glass cannon (for her power output) with a single decent attack that's should be pretty easily blocked or absorbed by anyone with a decent defense.

lol, people need to learn CIS is not PIS. Thor dont use his powers in many ocasions because PIS, not CIS.

Thor wins.

Proxima was about to get owned big time by Binary before Darkseid stepped in.

I mean, one blast from Binary and she was already screaming "aaaaiiieeeee!!!!"

Lol. Thor wins.

We've seen the spear in action. It tagged a light speedster, but a Wakandan out reacted it. It tagged the Hulk, but Rogers was able to out react and redirect it. Its impressive, but only if you cling to its high showings.

And Thor with his high showings sh!ts over PM. Cmon people, are your memories that short?

Thor got this one in the bag.

Thor is tailor made for fights like this

Originally posted by Cogito
She still got beat up by Luke Cage. She still struggled with Wakanda and a spear. She's still a glass cannon (for her power output) with a single decent attack that's should be pretty easily blocked or absorbed by anyone with a decent defense.

Originally posted by ODG
A somewhat jaundiced account of Proxima Midnight's performance...

She's got like, 2 appearances. Yes, I cherry-picked the worst, but I literally picked all but 1 scene (her high, against the Hulk)

Thor wins, a hard fight, I think he takes about 10/10.

Originally posted by Cogito
She's got like, 2 appearances. Yes, I cherry-picked the worst, but I literally picked all but 1 scene (her high, against the Hulk)

And her spear hasn't been easily dodged or blocked by anybody. It tagged Spectrum in light form. A Wakandan sacrificed himself to stop another. A full three-hit barrage took down Hulk utterly. Cap redirected two but at the cost of getting hit by the third tracer. And those two tracers laid Corvus Glaive low. She also rocked Hyperion, Captain Marvel and Captain America with a single shockwave and deflected Hyperion's nuclear vision.

I'm not sure how you can't recognize that the duo of Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive came within inches of completely defeating a team that consisted of Hulk, Hyperion, Captain Marvel and Captain America. They basically had defeated them all except for Carol who was forced to go Binary at the end.

Ok, I exaggerated, you exaggerated, lets get down to the real facts.

Physical Stuff
1. Physically, Proxima was matched by Luke Cage. She hurt him, he hurt her, roughtly equal degrees of hurt to go around.

2. Proxima was pierced by a spear thrown by Shuri. It went all the way through her shoulder, but did not cause serious harm.

3. Carol was beating her pretty clearly IMO. No, I wouldn't say she was "forced" to go Binary. Maybe, maybe not, I wouldn't use those words.

The Spear
1. The spear was first thrown at Spectrum, who was flying away, not engaged with PM, not looking, and not expecting it. She didn't die.

2. On two occasions, Wakandan soldiers jumped in front of the spear

3. The spear took down Hulk, who wasn't engaged with Thanos and Glaive, not PM. His back was turned to her, in fact.

4. I guess the spear "rocked" Hyperion, CM, and CA...all three did get up on the same panel though

5. Yes, the spear blocked Hype's nuclear vision

6. 1 of the 3 points hit Cap (who survived just fine).

7. The other 2 hit Glaive, but he was still standing afterwards and just bleeding some. Note: Glaive has no durability feats. He was incinerated by Hyperion's nuclear vision the next panel.

Originally posted by ODG
She hardly got beat up by Luke Cage. She was just shocked that the hellacious beating she was giving him couldn't overcome Luke Cage tapping into Thing's Heart-Force. And she hardly struggled with Wakanda. Her and her army basically roflstomped it and penetrated all the way into the Necropolis.

And her spear hasn't been easily dodged or blocked by anybody. It tagged Spectrum in light form. A Wakandan sacrificed himself to stop another. A full three-hit barrage took down Hulk utterly. Cap redirected two but at the cost of getting hit by the third tracer. And those two tracers laid Corvus Glaive low. She also rocked Hyperion, Captain Marvel and Captain America with a single shockwave and deflected Hyperion's nuclear vision.

I'm not sure how you can't recognize that the duo of Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive came within inches of completely defeating a team that consisted of Hulk, Hyperion, Captain Marvel and Captain America. They basically had defeated them all except for Carol who was forced to go Binary at the end.

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Good point.

When facing the spear throw, Steve and Wakanda were able to react to it.

When their backs are turned, Spectrum and the Hulk are tagged. Also, Corvus when he wasn't expecting it.

So distract Thor, and PM can win. But how?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Good point.

When facing the spear throw, Steve and Wakanda were able to react to it.

When their backs are turned, Spectrum and the Hulk are tagged. Also, Corvus when he wasn't expecting it.

So distract Thor, and PM can win. But how?

Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, I exaggerated, you exaggerated, lets get down to the real facts.

[b]Physical Stuff
1. Physically, Proxima was matched by Luke Cage. She hurt him, he hurt her, roughtly equal degrees of hurt to go around.

2. Proxima was pierced by a spear thrown by Shuri. It went all the way through her shoulder, but did not cause serious harm.

3. Carol was beating her pretty clearly IMO. No, I wouldn't say she was "forced" to go Binary. Maybe, maybe not, I wouldn't use those words. [/b]

2. So you've proven she has a healing factor and while soft enough to get stabby-stabbed, still durable enough to withstand Cage pounding her with his fists.

3. Carol didn't do sh1t until she went Binary and hit her from behind.

Originally posted by Cogito
[b]The Spear
1. The spear was first thrown at Spectrum, who was flying away, not engaged with PM, not looking, and not expecting it. She didn't die.

2. On two occasions, Wakandan soldiers jumped in front of the spear

3. The spear took down Hulk, who wasn't engaged with Thanos and Glaive, not PM. His back was turned to her, in fact.

4. I guess the spear "rocked" Hyperion, CM, and CA...all three did get up on the same panel though

5. Yes, the spear blocked Hype's nuclear vision

6. 1 of the 3 points hit Cap (who survived just fine).

7. The other 2 hit Glaive, but he was still standing afterwards and just bleeding some. Note: Glaive has no durability feats. He was incinerated by Hyperion's nuclear vision the next panel. [/B]

2. People in comics aim-dodge and aim-block. This is supposedly late-breaking news. And, yes, once the spear or its tracers make initial impact, there is a delay, between it firing off again to attack its targets. It's still basically hit/tagged everything its been aimed at so far, the only exception being at the cost of lives of multiple fodder. A fact totally relevant in a 1-on-1 match.

3. Because dodging a streaking Hulk and essentially one-shotting him isn't a testament to her formidability.

4. A restatement of facts I set forth doesn't serve as a rebuttal.

5. A restatement of facts I set forth doesn't serve as a rebuttal.

6. Because Proxima Midnight resummoned her spear form rather than let it fester inside her targets like she did with Hulk and Spectrum. It was a gambit by Captain America that nearly cost him his life.

7. See above. Or, y'know, read the comics. Note: While Glaive may not have durability feats, Hulk has a sh1t-ton of durability feats and we know what happened to him.

She wasn't quite hurt after the end of her scuffle with luke but reading it again, Luke did manage to drew blood after he punched her face. I reckon that was a bit of jobbing though cause as others have pointed out Luke is tapping into heartforce lol.

As for this match hmm think i'll go with Thor. She still needs a bit more feats to know how she does with other manner of herald level characters. Atm she has spectrum and hulk clearly in her belt.