Originally posted by ODG
1. Proxima Midnight didn't have a concussion, cracked ribs or broken teeth and about to collapse in a heap. Your choice of the word, "matched," is bizarre. As was your choice of the adjective "factual" to go along with your description of events. Proxima stomped Cage in straight H2H.2. So you've proven she has a healing factor and while soft enough to get stabby-stabbed, still durable enough to withstand Cage pounding her with his fists.
3. Carol didn't do sh1t until she went Binary and hit her from behind.
1. Stomped? Please. 🙄
2. Ok...so we've proven that she's vulnerable to weak piercing attacks and people who are far weaker than Thor. What was your point?
3. You're right, she didn't do shit. She literally did not even try to attack PM.
Originally posted by ODG
1. And she was still in light form and thus moving at light speeds but unable to outrace the tracers.2. People in comics aim-dodge and aim-block. This is supposedly late-breaking news. And, yes, once the spear or its tracers make initial impact, there is a delay, between it firing off again to attack its targets. It's still basically hit/tagged everything its been aimed at so far, the only exception being at the cost of lives of multiple fodder. A fact totally relevant in a 1-on-1 match.
3. Because dodging a streaking Hulk and essentially one-shotting him isn't a testament to her formidability.
4. A restatement of facts I set forth doesn't serve as a rebuttal.
5. A restatement of facts I set forth doesn't serve as a rebuttal.
6. Because Proxima Midnight resummoned her spear form rather than let it fester inside her targets like she did with Hulk and Spectrum. It was a gambit by Captain America that nearly cost him his life.
7. See above. Or, y'know, read the comics. Note: While Glaive may not have durability feats, Hulk has a sh1t-ton of durability feats and we know what happened to him.
2. Relevant because Thor can block it easily.
3. I look at all her feats. She didn't dodge Luke, didn't dodge a spear, dodged the Hulk. Thor beats the shit out of her.
4. Just running through every feat so we don't miss anything.
5. Ditto
6. Assumption
7. Spear didn't really hurt Glaive. You can't disregard it. Didn't hurt the Hulk as much as it immobilized him also. Here's the facts: The spear hit 4 people, and killed none of them. Now it's going to beat Thor? A guy who's extremely capable of stopping it? A guy who's more powerful than everyone the spear actually hit? Yeah, I'm not buying it.
Originally posted by WarlordThor. Proxima Midnight seems like an opponent that Thor doesn't often fight and the closest comparison I can make is to a younger Gorr who hadn't bonded with the All-Black. But not quite up to that level.
so, ODG, who do you think wins this fight?
Thor luckily has a weapon that serves as both offense and defense. If Thor were to go H2H against her and her spear like Hulk did, he'd get taken down like Hulk unless he raised his game to Gorr fight levels. Either way, she's clearly beyond Luke Cage level, a fight which posters keep trying to hold against her. But her and her husband came within inches of dismantling the Hulk, Hyperion, Captain America and Captain Marvel group.
And when I say inches, I literally mean inches. Had Cap not redirected those tracers and been off by a few inches, Corvus Glaive would've still been kicking and one or both Captains would be dead. That's how close it came. And guffawing instead about Luke Cage and Wakandans strikes me as being rather narrow-minded.
Originally posted by Cogito1. Proxima "stomping" Cage is a far more accurate description than Cage "matching" Proxima. It was a Thing vs Hulk dynamic, if there ever was one.
1. Stomped? Please. 🙄2. Ok...so we've proven that she's vulnerable to weak piercing attacks and people who are far weaker than Thor. What was your point?
3. You're right, she didn't do shit. She literally did not even try to attack PM.
2. The insignificance of her shoulder being pierced and the insignificance of being pounded on by Luke Cage for an entire comic is self-evident. Re-read the comic.
3. Until she did when she was Binary. From behind. So stating that "Carol was beating her clearly IMO," was rather specious of you. If that was the effect you were going for, mission accomplished.
Originally posted by Cogito1. At nearly the cost of their own lives. And a light-speeder and a Hulk and a Corvus Glaive didn't.
1. Yet twice people who are pretty much human level blocked or intercepted it.2. Relevant because Thor can block it easily.
3. I look at all her feats. She didn't dodge Luke, didn't dodge a spear, dodged the Hulk. Thor beats the shit out of her.
4. Just running through every feat so we don't miss anything.
5. Ditto
6. Assumption
7. Spear didn't really hurt Glaive. You can't disregard it. Didn't hurt the Hulk as much as it immobilized him also. Here's the facts: The spear hit 4 people, and killed none of them. Now it's going to beat Thor? A guy who's extremely capable of stopping it? A guy who's more powerful than everyone the spear actually hit? Yeah, I'm not buying it.
2. Her spear and black light tracers aren't as useless as the Omega Effect, unfortunately.
3. She didn't need to dodge Luke Cage. She didn't need to dodge the spear. She dodged a streaking Hulk who got one-shot by her though. Somehow Cage and Wakandan spears are more relevant than dancing around and one-shotting Hulk though. We get it.
4. Because you harping on about Cage and Wakandans initially until being forced to confront the rest of her performance demonstrates your unwavering faithfulness to full context. Excuse me while I laugh myself out of this thread.
5. I didn't restate anything you said. I brought context to it. Follow the conversation or don't.
6. Because Cap or Glaive showed any debilitating effects such as being weighed down by a star or corrupted with anti-particles from within. Which is what happened to those who remained stabbed by the black light tracers for more than an instant. If you're going to establish any sort of pretense of engaging in a constructive conversation, completely ignoring facts from the comics isn't helpful.
7. Alright, enough with the blind-man act. You're not blind, so stop pretending to be, just to act like this entire conversation hasn't been a trainwreck for you. Corvus Glaive, who Proxima never wanted to hurt, who has the black light tracers immediately resummoned from his gut isn't hurt by the spear's black light tracers? Are you even reading the comic or just twisting it inside your mind beyond recognition? But whatever, we have to ignore that anyway just like we ignore Hulk being completely defeated by Proxima's spear attack more utterly than Thor himself has ever managed in his entire 50 year career of fighting Hulk.
ODG, you talk a good talk, but at the end of the day Proxima Midnight did little to nothing.
She didn't beat Luke Cage, she didn't beat Carol, she didn't beat anyone 1v1. The only thing she accomplished was taking the Hulk out of the fight with a blindside hit when was engaging Thanos and co. all at once.
The spear is mildly impressive. She, physically, is barely above Luke Cage. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. When she gets out of that living death situation, maybe she'll get a few more feats under her belt, but for now she's just another ho-hum bad guy lackey.
Just want to throw out that Cap didn't withstand the same type of attack Hulk withstood.
"Then a wider net perhaps dear Midnight"?
"No, a denser one".
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Infinity006-016.jpg
She didn't use the same type of attack on Cap.
Originally posted by Cogito
She got hit in the back while flying away and not looking at all.--
Proxima's stock went up. IMO she just got bumped from maybe high meta/low herald to solidly low herald.
She still got beat up by Luke Cage. She still struggled with Wakanda and a spear. She's still a glass cannon (for her power output) with a single decent attack that's should be pretty easily blocked or absorbed by anyone with a decent defense.
I would ask what fight you were looking at, but she only fought Luke once, and she would have killed him if they continued to fight it out. Cage is also a very tough character , and plenty strong. He's been given a push for the past few years now, so I hope that you aren't using him as a means of reducing Proxima's stock She is certainly above mid Herald if you count Firelord among that grouping. Anyone capable of "physically" putting the hurt on Hyperion, should never be placed within the tier that you are suggesting. Her combat ability should also be noted.
Originally posted by Cogito
ODG, you talk a good talk, but at the end of the day Proxima Midnight did little to nothing.
Dove out of a spaceship in orbit free-falling face-first into Manhattan with a smile. Took everything Luke Cage had in pure H2H with little more than PMSy frustration and some blood splatter. Nearly murdered a Herald-level energy manipulator with one shot. Led the charge against Wakanda in the first successful invasion attack in its history. Tag-teamed with Corvus Glaive and came within inches of utterly defeating a Hulk, Hyperion, Captain Marvel, Captain America group. Utterly devastated Hulk.
I understand that this spontaneous pointless contempt for the Infinity storyline has caused random posters to spite the story at the cost of their own reason, but I'm guessing that in a few weeks, people will realize how vindictively shallow they were. After all, it took a few weeks for the general KMC population to realize again that Black Bolt's scream was powerful. As if Black Bolt's entire history and the bald fact that he caused more damage to Thanos than even a bloodlusted PG Thor managed in a full-issue brawl didn't speak volumes enough.
Whatever.
I personally think Thanos handed shitty weapons out to his lackeys.
Read their bios. Corvus Glaive..as long as his blade is whole, he cannot die.
Whoops.
Proxima Midnight ...her beams are lethal to most creatures. Yet it failed with Spectrum, Hulk, Captain America and Corvus.
Thanos gives out defective weaponry.
Originally posted by ODGDove out of a spaceship in orbit free-falling face-first into Manhattan with a smile. Took everything Luke Cage had in pure H2H with little more than PMSy frustration and some blood splatter. Nearly murdered a Herald-level energy manipulator with one shot. Led the charge against Wakanda in the first successful invasion attack in its history. Tag-teamed with Corvus Glaive and came within inches of utterly defeating a Hulk, Hyperion, Captain Marvel, Captain America group. Utterly devastated Hulk.
I like your attempts to exaggerate.
She, with Corvus, were not "inches" from beating the group. Where do you get that from? Hyperion was never seriously hurt. Carol was never seriously hurt. Phuck, even Steve was never seriously hurt. Hyperion one-shot murdered Corvus the first time he tried.
But yeah, she got the Hulk from behind and she broke Cage's ribs, so let's make that out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread 👆
Thor likely wins, but she can get some wins aswell. Her spear is extremely deadly, but she didn't seem to want any piece of the Hulk physically. I'm thinking Thor would straight overpower her, although she is pretty mobile and crafty it seems. Reminds me of Gamora in a lot of ways.
Would actually be a cool fight to watch but at the end of the day I'd rather use Mjolnir than her spear.
Originally posted by CogitoHulk was KTFO. Hyperion collapsed in a heap. Captain America was KTFO. Captain Marvel had to go Binary.
I like your attempts to exaggerate.She, with Corvus, were not "inches" from beating the group. Where do you get that from? Hyperion was never seriously hurt. Carol was never seriously hurt. Phuck, even Steve was never seriously hurt. Hyperion one-shot murdered Corvus the first time he tried.
Had Captain America missed his shield block by inches and not redirected the three black light tracers, he and Carol could have been wrecked by its gravitic and corruption effects once stabbed. Carol might be Monica's peer in energy absorption but not in energy manipulation and Monica was going to die without Black Adam's help. So they'd be down and Hyperion would still seemingly be at Corvus Glaive's mercy. Or had Cap accidentally deflected the black light tracers into anybody else other than Corvus Glaive... like Hyperion himself, Hyperion would be KTFO like Hulk with a fresh-as-daisies Corvus Glaive looking on gleefully.
Literal inches is what separated the Avengers from defeat at the hands of the Black Order's top two. Willful ignorance is required to think otherwise.
Originally posted by CogitoReverting back to prototypical contextless lowball behavior. After having the gall to say something like this to me, "Just running through every feat so we don't miss anything." - Cogito
But yeah, she got the Hulk from behind and she broke Cage's ribs, so let's make that out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread 👆
That still makes me laugh.
Prototypical contextless lowball behavior?
First, I provided context for every feat mentioned. Second, listing feats in their entirety isn't lowballing.
Originally posted by ODGAttacked from behind, never knocked out, did revert back to Banner
Hulk was KTFO.
Originally posted by ODGCollapsed after Corvus had his glaive lodged in Hyperion's chest, not after Proxima's attack. Nice try though 👆
Hyperion collapsed in a heap
Originally posted by ODGDidn't happen 👆
Captain America was KTFO.
Originally posted by ODGYou keep saying this, but there's no evidence that she had to do anything.
Captain Marvel had to go Binary.
Originally posted by ODGNice, making up hypothetical situations that didn't happen 👆 Double points for making up what would happen to Carol at the same time
Had Captain America missed his shield block by inches and not redirected the three black light tracers, he and Carol could have been wrecked by its gravitic and corruption effects once stabbed.
Did you know, if Captain America's shield missed blocking bullets by a few inches he could be killed? Amazing!
Originally posted by ODGBonus points for making this out to be some sort of Proxima feat.
So they'd be down and Hyperion would still seemingly be at Corvus Glaive's mercy.
Originally posted by ODGMaybe, maybe not. Hyperion doesn't have a neat hammer or other defensive tool as Thor does here.
Or had Cap accidentally deflected the black light tracers into anybody else other than Corvus Glaive... like Hyperion himself, Hyperion would be KTFO like Hulk with a fresh-as-daisies Corvus Glaive looking on gleefully.
Originally posted by CogitoBizarro-speak doesn't fly around here, son.
Prototypical contextless lowball behavior?First, I provided context for every feat mentioned. Second, listing feats in their entirety isn't lowballing.
Originally posted by CogitoBecause utterly devastating Hulk to the point where he disappears and Banner's all that's left with no ability to Hulk out isn't knocking the Hulk the phuck out. Smart. Maybe read some Hulk comics, plz.
Attacked from behind, never knocked out, did revert back to BannerCollapsed after Corvus had his glaive lodged in Hyperion's chest, not after Proxima's attack. Nice try though 👆
Didn't happen 👆
When did I ever say Proxima made Hyperion collapse? I was talking about how the duo nearly beat that Avengers group. Christ. Follow the conversation (which even when it's going so badly for you, would still demonstrate a capacity to understand English at least).
Read the comic. Seriously. Particularly where Iron Man wakes up a knocked out Cap who had no idea that the Illuminati arrived on the scene, let alone knew that Thanos was defeated.
Originally posted by CogitoBecause Carol goes Binary in critical situations that completely don't call for it. Granted, you probably have never read a Captain Marvel comic in the past decade, so whatever, you're forgiven.
You keep saying this, but there's no evidence that she had to do anything.Nice, making up hypothetical situations that didn't happen 👆 Double points for making up what would happen to Carol at the same time
Originally posted by CogitoPointless deflection is pointless. Had Cap not made Proxima attack Corvus Glaive, something that basically only he and his shield could do really, the Avengers were phucked. That was Cap's moment in the finale.
Did you know, if Captain America's shield missed blocking bullets by a few inches he could be killed? Amazing!Bonus points for making this out to be some sort of Proxima feat.
Maybe, maybe not. Hyperion doesn't have a neat hammer or other defensive tool as Thor does here.
Not the point as I was talking about the duo vs. the Avengers, but you act like Proxima never stunned Hyperion before Corvus engaged him.
Not the point as I was talking about the duo vs. the Avengers, but we saw what happened to Hulk. So had Proxima pierced Hyperion, he most likely would have been just as phucked. Your appeal to "maybe, maybe not" is based on absolutely nothing but your own reticence to admit the obvious. Good job completely going off the rails over a completely secondary character. Totally not embarrassing.
