Originally posted by Inhuman
So Thanos should lose now to beings that could wreck planets? (if we are talking about slugfest then add.... So Thanos should lose now to beings that could wreck planets with brute force?)
Only in a fist fight.
I hold no delusions that Hulk could beat him with all powers on the board.
Originally posted by carver9
Dont have a problem with that. The Hulk before Waid Hulk koed Thor with his own hammer and tanked energy blasts that dropped Thor.👆
Wow! That must be some writing genius to get a story that action packed. Do you know who wrote that masterpiece? Please don't leave me in suspense.
Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk fts isn't anything close to being as consistent as Current Hulk fts. Savage was powerful but current Hulk walk around strength is at high Herald plus. Dont know what you are basing this off of but if Infinity got you that riled up, then you might not want to look at some of the stuff Savage Hulk went through, like being choked out by a snake...koed by Doc Sampson, dropped by Ironman...dropped by Namor twice.When it comes to consistency and power fts, Waid Hulk stomps Savage.
What delusional world do you live in?
What has Waid's Hulk done that even remotely places him close to the feats of Savage Hulk?
When is the last time Lame-Ass Hulk took on a foe like Galaxy Master?
Or put down Hyperion with Thunder Clap?
Please.
Waid's Hulk is a joke. He has trouble with basic Iron Man.
He turns back into Banner if you fart too close to him.
Waid has turned him into a JOKE.
List your top 5 (and I mean TOP) Feats for "Indestructible Hulk."
I can blow each of them out of the water with Feats from Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Dont have a problem with that. The Hulk before Waid Hulk koed Thor with his own hammer and tanked energy blasts that dropped Thor.👆
...that WAS Savage Hulk.
And the story was written by Dee Snider's kid.
Savage Hulk took down Thor with a few hits in that battle.
In the DOZEN or so battles prior to that, he matched Thor and Stalemated him virtually every time.
Current Hulk, on the other hand, cannot even dig through a mile of Earth and Metal without first turning into "Hulk Squared" (another piece of writing crap that Waid should be flogged over).
Savage Hulk could shatter mountains with a single hit.
No "Hulk Squared" needed.
Face it- current Hulk is a dolt. And Waid should be ashamed of his half-ass writing.
He prefers to write Banner. Street levels are all that he is good at these days. I say put him back on Daredevil.
Then MAYBE Hulk can land another Peter David or another Pak.
Pak's Hulk would murder Waid's Hulk in record time.
That glory will not return until Waid is gone from this series.
Originally posted by jaxthejester
He holds a win over Surfer. All stats accounted for. He still took him down.And WB Hulk dusted Arm'Cheddon in HotM without even needing to punch him.
(And prior to that, he ripped his arm off and blasted his face half off with it.)
Add that WWHulk (pre-WB) kicked Sentry's ass; who in turn kicked the crap out of Terrax.
You do the math.
Terrax = Herald.
Surfer = Herald.
Sentry kicked the crap out of Terrax.
Arm'cheddon took down Surfer.
WWHulk dropped Sentry.
WB Hulk dropped Arm'Cheddon.
HotM Level WB Hulk "incinerated" Arm'cheddon, Bi-Beast, Wendigo, and a world of demons without even needing to throw a punch.The power levels are more than evident.
WWHulk > Sentry > Terrax (by a frigg'n land slide)
WB Hulk > Arm'Cheddon > Surfer (by right of victory)
HotM WB Hulk = Cosmic Force of Nature.Pak put ink to paper that even OF Thor would not have faired better than Sentry against WWHulk.
And Thor has a long history of kicking Surfer's ass.
WB was a transcendent beast.
Thanos was afraid of fist fighting Champion.
He sure as hell isn't winning a fist fight against WB.Truth.
a couple of things Arm'cheddon defeated Surfer IIRC by weakness exploitation. Meaning that Surfer was not in optimum condition.
Troyans (Arm'cheddon's race) physical stats are mainly unknown, except for Arm'cheddon's son who I don't think displayed a great deal of piercing durability.
There is that and that Terrax is mostly a jobber under a lot of writers and the math does not quite adds up when sentry basically faced Hulk in a most casual maner.
but that is my opinion. I think Green scar could win if He ramps it up to WB mode. specially since this is a slugfest and Thanos does not has the HF hulk has, but I think in this particular thread WWH is nuttered to that arc.
Originally posted by jaxthejester
What delusional world do you live in?What has Waid's Hulk done that even remotely places him close to the feats of Savage Hulk?
When is the last time Lame-Ass Hulk took on a foe like Galaxy Master?
Or put down Hyperion with Thunder Clap?
Please.
Waid's Hulk is a joke. He has trouble with basic Iron Man.
He turns back into Banner if you fart too close to him.Waid has turned him into a JOKE.
List your top 5 (and I mean TOP) Feats for "Indestructible Hulk."
I can blow each of them out of the water with Feats from Savage Hulk.
You are not getting it. The consistency of his fts puts him above Savage Hulk whereas Savage Hulk fts are spread throughout his history. Within the short time Waid has had had, Hulk has...
Overpowered time stop.
Punched time so hard that it set everything back to what it was...changed history.
Punched through a wall that was completely indestructible...lets not forget, the guy in the scan had a weapon that was capable of cutting through anything, including time itself and Hulk was the only one capable of breaching this force field.
Ripped through an armor with one hand that was capable of withstanding "ANY" pressure in space.
One shot koed Graviton.
LOL at him struggling with Ironman. That wasn't a struggle at all.
He withstood/tanked high Herald level weapons. Even withstood a gun that can rip through molecules on a sub atomic level. All of this happened this yr and I'm forgetting some fts.
The fts you'll probably bring up spreads within a 20 yr gap. The consistency of this Hulk and his fts is mind boggling.
Why does this version of Hulk need to fight Galaxy Master again? Current Hulk nearly overpowered the In-betweener power, the same IB that gave Galactus a run for his money. You probably need to reread his stuff.
I almost forgot, he also tanked a blast that was capable of melting adamantium.
Originally posted by carver9
Arm'cheddon defeated Surfer and Merged Hulk at the same time. This alone proves that he is either on or above Surfer level.
And WB Hulk smoked Arm'Cheddon like he was fighting Spiderman. It was a Gamma Massacre.
Put THAT Hulk in a "fist fight" with Thanos, and the Titan is taking a dirt nap.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
a couple of things Arm'cheddon defeated Surfer IIRC by weakness exploitation. Meaning that Surfer was not in optimum condition.Troyans (Arm'cheddon's race) physical stats are mainly unknown, except for Arm'cheddon's son who I don't think displayed a great deal of piercing durability.
There is that and that Terrax is mostly a jobber under a lot of writers and the math does not quite adds up when sentry basically faced Hulk in a most casual maner.
but that is my opinion. I think Green scar could win if He ramps it up to WB mode. specially since this is a slugfest and Thanos does not has the HF hulk has, but I think in this particular thread WWH is nuttered to that arc.
Prove that Arm'cheddon defeated Surfer via weakness exploiting.
Props to Thor and Hyperion as well but it seems like Hickman (and possibly Waid) still consider Hulk a World Breaker.
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Originally posted by carver9
You are not getting it. The consistency of his fts puts him above Savage Hulk whereas Savage Hulk fts are spread throughout his history. Within the short time Waid has had had, Hulk has...Overpowered time stop.
Punched time so hard that it set everything back to what it was...changed history.
Punched through a wall that was completely indestructible...lets not forget, the guy in the scan had a weapon that was capable of cutting through anything, including time itself and Hulk was the only one capable of breaching this force field.
Ripped through an armor with one hand that was capable of withstanding "ANY" pressure in space.
One shot koed Graviton.
LOL at him struggling with Ironman. That wasn't a struggle at all.
He withstood/tanked high Herald level weapons. Even withstood a gun that can rip through molecules on a sub atomic level. All of this happened this yr and I'm forgetting some fts.
The fts you'll probably bring up spreads within a 20 yr gap. The consistency of this Hulk and his fts is mind boggling.
Why does this version of Hulk need to fight Galaxy Master again? Current Hulk nearly overpowered the In-betweener power, the same IB that gave Galactus a run for his money. You probably need to reread his stuff.
You are listing a horde of wanna-be Feats that were backed with a slew of outside factors.
Hulk punched Time... while holding the warping properties of a time manipulator in one hand to help him.
Hulk broke through a wall that is indestructible... yet he could not break through a mile of Earth and Metal without needing to turn into "Hulk Squared." Apparently "indestructible" amounts to roughly a mile of dirt in Waid's eyes.
Current Hulk overpowered the In-Betweener?
I want issue #'s and specifics for these off-base claims.
They are oozing with outside assistance and PIS writing.
Provide the exacts, and I'll provide the reason they hold no water.
The fact is that in Hulk's last showing, Waid wrote in "Hulk Squared" as a plot device so that Hulk could become strong enough to dig through a bit of Earth and Metal.
Waid then said that "Hulk Squared" was SO powerful that he could smash a mountain.
...right. Because the In-Betweener has trouble with digging into the Earth a mile. Or destroying a single mountain.
Remove he blind-fold. You are sugar coating turds bud.
Originally posted by jaxthejester
You are listing a horde of wanna-be Feats that were backed with a slew of outside factors.Hulk punched Time... while holding the warping properties of a time manipulator in one hand to help him.
Hulk broke through a wall that is indestructible... yet he could not break through a mile of Earth and Metal without needing to turn into "Hulk Squared." Apparently "indestructible" amounts to roughly a mile of dirt in Waid's eyes.
Current Hulk overpowered the In-Betweener?
I want issue #'s and specifics for these off-base claims.
They are oozing with outside assistance and PIS writing.Provide the exacts, and I'll provide the reason they hold no water.
The fact is that in Hulk's last showing, Waid wrote in "Hulk Squared" as a plot device so that Hulk could become strong enough to dig through a bit of Earth and Metal.
Waid then said that "Hulk Squared" was SO powerful that he could smash a mountain.
...right. Because the In-Betweener has trouble with digging into the Earth a mile. Or destroying a single mountain.
Remove he blind-fold. You are sugar coating turds bud.
Banner in the same comic said that HE, HULK punched through time. Nothing else aided in the ft (dont even know why you are arguing against Hulks ft if you are a true Hulk fan; no matter who the writer is).
What are you talking about him busting through a mountain? He destroyed the mountain as stated on panel. He didn't have to turn into anything.
What comics are you reading?
Hulk can destroy a mountain just like Hickman said Waid Hulk can destroy a planet. Nothing was ever stated as it being his limit.
I think you need to remove the blind fold. I'm headed to bed. You all have a good one.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
a couple of things Arm'cheddon defeated Surfer IIRC by weakness exploitation. Meaning that Surfer was not in optimum condition.Troyans (Arm'cheddon's race) physical stats are mainly unknown, except for Arm'cheddon's son who I don't think displayed a great deal of piercing durability.
There is that and that Terrax is mostly a jobber under a lot of writers and the math does not quite adds up when sentry basically faced Hulk in a most casual maner.
but that is my opinion. I think Green scar could win if He ramps it up to WB mode. specially since this is a slugfest and Thanos does not has the HF hulk has, but I think in this particular thread WWH is nuttered to that arc.
Sentry was easily on par with Thor and Surfer in power-level.
Even if you do rule out Arm'Cheddon for siphoning Surfer's power and using it against him (something he also did to Hulk, but failed with Hulk); then Sentry should be more than enough to show Hulk's power level under Pak.
What do you mean by "casual maner" when referring to Hulk and Sentry's battle?
Terrax, even in jobber mode, is still a Mega Class foe that can sunder worlds.
Sentry tanked his hits with no effect. And Sentry wasn't even trying. Against Hulk, Sentry went all-out. Hulk took it all, and took him down.
I agree with you about Hulk ramping up to beat Thanos.
But I am unfamiliar with the term "nuttered to that arc."
Do you mean the Thread maker has limited him to WWHulk strength level as a maximum?
Originally posted by carver9
Banner in the same comic said that HE, HULK punched through time. Nothing else aided in the ft (dont even know why you are arguing against Hulks ft if you are a true Hulk fan; no matter who the writer is).What are you talking about him busting through a mountain? He destroyed the mountain as stated on panel. He didn't have to turn into anything.
What comics are you reading?
Hulk can destroy a mountain just like Hickman said Waid Hulk can destroy a planet. Nothing was ever stated as it being his limit.
I think you need to remove the blind fold. I'm headed to bed. You all have a good one.
First- a TRUE Hulk fan should be outraged by the crap writing that Waid is pushing.
A TRUE fan doesn't just pick the best parts and ignore the rest. He sees all of it. And he judges its worth according the legacy of the giants like Stern, Lee, David, and Pak.
Waid has been measured and found wanting. I will not pretend his writing is good just to save grace with a gawd-awful version of Hulk.
See it for what it is. Trash. And demand better.
Don't just polish a turd because it is green.
The "mountain" I am referring to is from the second to last issue. The one where "Hulk Squared" was introduced.
Banner stated that "THAT HULK" (i.e. Hulk Squared) could smash a mountain by jumping on it.
That made me LOL- because ANY Hulk can smash a frigg'n mountain by landing on it.
Waid also spelled out that the reason for the Chronarchists making "Hulk Squared" was so that they would have a version of Hulk that is powerful enough to drill through the ground for them.
ALSO something that ANY Hulk could do.
Hell, even Grey Hulk was able to destroy an Asteroid twice the size of Earth. No "Squared Boost" was needed.
How in the Hell is Waid's Hulk going to destroy a planet when he has to spend half an issue fighting the blood Quintronic Man?
Good grief. Waid is a FAIL. This INCARNATION of Hulk is a FAIL.
And the sooner Hulk fans accept this, the sooner we can demand a writer that know the difference between a foe that crushed Hyperion and a foe that has trouble with frigg'n Attuma.
Originally posted by jaxthejester
Sentry was easily on par with Thor and Surfer in power-level.
Even if you do rule out Arm'Cheddon for siphoning Surfer's power and using it against him (something he also did to Hulk, but failed with Hulk); then Sentry should be more than enough to show Hulk's power level under Pak.What do you mean by "casual maner" when referring to Hulk and Sentry's battle?
Terrax, even in jobber mode, is still a Mega Class foe that can sunder worlds.
Sentry tanked his hits with no effect. And Sentry wasn't even trying. Against Hulk, Sentry went all-out. Hulk took it all, and took him down.I agree with you about Hulk ramping up to beat Thanos.
But I am unfamiliar with the term "nuttered to that arc."
Do you mean the Thread maker has limited him to WWHulk strength level as a maximum?
Yep, as shown in the WWH arc.
IMO Sentry fought Hulk in a very stupid over confident manner that led to Hulk winning the fight. or at least that is what I got from the art.
