Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also depends on which Elite we're talking about. Is Flash there? Manitou Raven? Vera or Manchester? etc etc.
If it's just 'The Elite,' then it's almost always the Manchester team. Though I suppose it could be the Vera/Hat/Coldcast/Menagerie team.
Vera's team with Flash and Manitou would be 'Justice League Elite.'
Originally posted by Q99
The Elite is three heralds and a high meta. One of the heralds has extremely high-powered EMP that has disabled super-advanced tech before (Coldcast has knocked out Vera Black's systems, and they're impressive stuff).Dooms defenses- unless specifically prepared for the team specifically- are not going to last long!
But they'll buy him SOME time, he WILL know they're there, he WILL get an idea of they're powers and have time to go to his most dangerous asset, his magic.
^ It's what he did against the Mighty Avengers team that came knocking on his door, and when Nightmare launched his attack, when Thor and his Asgardians came to save Kelda, when the Avengers, Magneto and Young Avengers tried to retrieve Wiccan and Wanda and when Sinister and Loki tried to steal back Loki's genetics.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
But they'll buy him SOME time, he WILL know they're there, he WILL get an idea of they're powers and have time to go to his most dangerous asset, his magic.
Not really. I mean, Coldcast's powers are such that he can pretty much knock anything automated out in a moment. He won't get much time, nor will most of them have to unveil their powers.
And they have The Hat like abhilegend mentioned, so they're prepared for magic too.
Originally posted by Q99
He also has TK. And a massively powerful team.
And Doom has top tier magic and tech on hand and one of the most powerful country's resources to call back on. Guy can summon Doombots and Mindless Ones as well, all of which have feats showing them taking on teams of heroes and doing pretty well...if not winning.
I really don't think the Elite can waltz into Latveria and own Doom, let alone in the scenario where he's prepped.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And Doom has top tier magic and tech on hand and one of the most powerful country's resources to call back on. Guy can summon Doombots and Mindless Ones as well, all of which have feats showing them taking on teams of heroes and doing pretty well...if not winning.
And the Elite has a high-end magic being and a guy who can shut down even supertech easily.
Summon 20 Doombots? Coldcast shuts 'em all down solo. Mindless Ones? The Hat contains them with his magic.
Those resources? Most of them couldn't get there before the fights over, and if they did, they're more likely to fall to Manchester's mind control than fight against him.
Yea, Doom has plenty of cards and all... but this isn't just a team, it's an all-heavy-hitters team pretty much, and in the no-prep scenario, there's not really going to be anything on hand that's going to require the full team's effort.
Originally posted by Q99
And the Elite has a high-end magic being and a guy who can shut down even supertech easily.Summon 20 Doombots? Coldcast shuts 'em all down solo. Mindless Ones? The Hat contains them with his magic.
Those resources? Most of them couldn't get there before the fights over, and if they did, they're more likely to fall to Manchester's mind control than fight against him.
Yea, Doom has plenty of cards and all... but this isn't just a team, it's an all-heavy-hitters team pretty much, and in the no-prep scenario, there's not really going to be anything on hand that's going to require the full team's effort.
Considering the teams and beings a non-prepped Doom can handle and do well against, let alone in the heart of Latveria, to say that there won't be anything there that would require their full effort is...well, a stretch at the very least.
There's also the fact that Doombots aren't easily shut down solo and Doom's Mindless Ones aren't easily contained, either. And there's Doom himself, who, really, speaks for himself when it comes to feats.
The Avengers that went after Doom were heavy hitters, too. And they had to use their full effort.
Heh, Elite were tossing around enough energy to ignite sun, split a moon in half and Coldcast himself was deemed more powerful than superman. I would just post this scan to show what power level they were playing at.
But hey, doom based on his 10000 appearances can beat a group rivaling JLA in power without any prep.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, Elite were tossing around enough energy to ignite sun, split a moon in half and Coldcast himself was deemed more powerful than superman. I would just post this scan to show what power level they were playing at.But hey, doom based on his 10000 appearances can beat a group rivaling JLA in power. He has never been beaten after all.
Yeah, Doom's pretty much the best character in comics. 👆