OT Palpatine Vs DE Palpatine

Originally posted by Sinious
This is one of the most illogical things I've heard in these forums tbh.

Sidious has better feats than any other sith in the mythos. So why don't you present an argument for the other sith you see as his superiors? I would recommend constructing an argument mostly based on feats rather than accolades since Sidious also has accolades that put him in no.1 automatically. 👆

Bring me some feats and let's analyze them(I might be out for a period, but I'll respond as soon as I can)

Can't you understand, that the *new* Sith have surpassed Sidious in showings!?

Heck, when Sidious travelled to Korriban to hold his clone from dying because he couldn't stop the aging process(lol he couldn't), the ancient Sith practically mocked him in the face, and all he could do was to mumble, untill the old Sith felt pity and showed him how he's gonna die.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Force and Destiny doesn't make it so definitive anymore on that front. Not that I doubt he is the most powerful Sith Lord of all time but the tip toeing has become increasingly more noticeable.

Does it say something to put doubt on it?

Basically that he might be the most powerful ever, not with total certainty.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Does it say something to put doubt on it?

But..but.. Valkorion!

Originally posted by carthage
But..but.. Valkorion!

Hey, don't be discouraged. Valkorion is mentioned plenty of once in the book. 👆

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
The extent of the burning, charred is associated with the facade, and incineration with the total consumption to ashes....

One results in remains and the other in ashes......

Valkorion is irrelevant to a discussion regarding the supreme Sith, his prime incarnation has completely raised above that ideology, not only in practice but personality. Really, anyone claiming he is still Sith needs a serious bias check.

Personally, I don't think you can even call him

Spoiler:
Vitiate

Guess the Codex writers need a bias check. 😬

BTW... A guy whose handle is AncientPower and who spends his time trying to put "ancient" characters over their successors... Might not be the best person to lecture others on bias lol.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Valkorion is irrelevant to a discussion regarding the supreme Sith, his prime incarnation has completely raised above that ideology, not only in practice but personality. Really, anyone claiming he is still Sith needs a serious bias check.

Personally, I don't think you can even call him

Spoiler:
Vitiate

anymore given the datamining shit I have heard about Chapter 10+.

Just in the same way Palpatine remains part of the history of the Rule of Two, despite eventually abandoning it in favour of his "Rule of One."

Beni slaughter-housing tbh 👆

A codex entry you've completely taken out of context is indeed an indication of your unending, unchanging bias yes. Even Valkorion's dialogue makes it crystal clear that even associating him with the Sith Empire anymore is retarded.

My username has nothing to do with Ancient Sith, paranoia got the better of you? Oh and I'm not Legend so that's kind of way off base. I respect the hype of the Ancient Sith, but not out of any kind of bias; I simply refuse to handwave evidence.

No, I simply take it out of your preferred context, which is the context you manufacture to suit your bias and isn't actually the real context.

And if simply saying you're not biased means you're not biased, then no one here is biased.

Originally posted by AncientPower

Oh and I'm not Legend so that's kind of way off base

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Valkorion may no longer identify with Sith teaching but as an "ancient Sith entity" who created a Sith Empire he is still part of Sith history.

Just in the same way Palpatine remains part of the history of the Rule of Two, despite eventually abandoning it in favour of his "Rule of One."

Him being historically relevant to the Sith has absolutely no bearing on the fact his latest incarnation has distanced himself entirely from the Sith Empire and the ideologies therein. He isn't Sith anymore, as Vader isn't a Jedi anymore. Your attempted denial of logic has no grounds to stand on given how order-exclusive statements are inherently exclusive to those within that order.

If it makes you feel any better, in a Sith exclusive world I certainly agree that Reborn Emperor Palpatine > Sith Emperor Vitiate. Immortal Emperor Valkorion just doesn't swim with those Baracuda.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, I simply take it out of your preferred context, which is the context you manufacture to suit your bias and isn't actually the real context.

And if simply saying you're not biased means you're not biased, then no one here is biased.

Except for the fact that your entire basis for making Valkorion inclusive of the ring of Sith that Palpatine's statements pertain to, is solely a descriptory statement regarding the past of the character in question.

On the contrary to your stretched interpretation of that codex entry, is the fact that every character in KOTFE, including Valkorion, couldn't make it any clearer that he isn't connected with that Force using order anymore.

He was a Sith and ruled over all the other Sith in the galaxy for a millennium as the Emperor; he then decided that the entire ideology of that order was flawed and decided to found an institution far superior to his current one. He then turns on the Sith completely and undergoes a huge personality makeover to boot.

Is it bias on your part, to discredit literally all of that evidence to your contrary, by 'interpreting' a single codex entry to suit your own agenda? That's actually textbook bias, now that I think about it.

Really, this is a desperate stance on your part and is frankly beneath your baiting skills.

Yes, yes, we've been through all this before.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He isn't Sith anymore, as Vader isn't a Jedi anymore.

Your attempted denial of logic has no grounds to stand on given how order-exclusive statements are inherently exclusive to those within that order.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Him being historically relevant to the Sith

If it makes you feel any better, in a Sith exclusive world I certainly agree that Reborn Emperor Palpatine > Sith Emperor Vitiate. Immortal Emperor Valkorion just doesn't swim with those Baracuda.

The codex is written by an unseen, unknown random.
Valkorion himself says he isn't a Sith

Actual person> background info

Who the **** cares anyway? Argue feats, you heathens.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The codex is written by an unseen, unknown random.