Captain America runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Standard equipment for everyone, Cap included?

He beats the ever loving shit out of Zsaaz, Penguin, and Hush. Croc gets out skilled by Cap. Deadshot eats shield. Cap styles on Joker and Harley. Depends on how much Venom Bane is taking. Even on Venom, Cap can cut the tubes feeding the drugs into Bane and has the feats to justify taking him head on. Deathstroke is probably his toughest fight due to the similar stats and Slade's equipment. Still, not impossible for Cap to win (and based on feats, I'd say he'd beat Slade after a tough fight anyway). Assuming that this is the lower scale Grundy Batman takes on, again, not impossible for Cap to outskill and maneuver him.

Based on Cap's feats, especially the outright absurd crap Remender has had him do, he can definitely clear.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bane breaks him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Without any rest in between? Nope.

Cap doesn't need rest like that rich boy, Bruce. Especially considering a lot of those fights will end in moments without Cap having to exert himself much. Guy's endurance and damage soak are unphucking real nowadays.

Originally posted by sacred108
No way cap is clearing

Double post -_-;

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap doesn't need rest like that rich boy, Bruce. Especially considering a lot of those fights will end in moments without Cap having to exert himself much. Guy's endurance and damage soak are unphucking real nowadays.

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Its not about rest, he would receive damage. You're kidding if you think Cap would beat Bane or Deathstroke in moments. Even when Batman beat Grundy, he took him by surprise after Grundy thought he was dead after drowning. Not to mention there is no mention of it being a lower end grundy.

That's not the only instance of Batman owning Grundy. In the other one, it was Grundy who had the element of surprise - and he still got his ass handed to him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not about rest, he would receive damage. You're kidding if you think Cap would beat Bane or Deathstroke in moments. Even when Batman beat Grundy, he took him by surprise after Grundy thought he was dead after drowning. Not to mention there is no mention of it being a lower end grundy.

You just said he can't clear without rest, no? I'm assuming if he had time to rest, which he doesn't per OP, that allows him time to regain stamina and attend to any wounds. I'm saying, based off feats, Cap's endurance and stamina and damage soak are all ridiculously high and the shit he's pulled off while being half dead suggests he can get through this.

Never said he'd beat Bane or Slade in moments. Mostly everyone else on that list, though? Yeah. He could easily one shot Zsaaz, Penguin, Hush, Deadshot, Joker, and Harley. And none of those I just mentioned, barring MAYBE Floyd, can give Cap a fight in which he'll be hurt seriously.

I'm assuming it would be the same Grundy Batman fights considering the nature of this thread, ie. one who is susceptible to pressure point attacks, can get his nose broken, and is generally a giant idiot whom Cap can dance circles around. Unless the OP, for whatever reason, decides it's going to be the most powerful Grundy ever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman was fighting and kicking ass for 28 hours straight just recently Jake. Cap can learn something from batgod.

That's cute considering Cap's very blatant stat advantage over Batman nowadays.

Where have you been Jake?

Busy offline with work and writing for the most part, but things have relaxed enough for me to debate semi-regularly again. 😄

Cool to see your back, we've been missing the voice of reason around here 👆

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You just said he can't clear without rest, no? I'm assuming if he had time to rest, which he doesn't per OP, that allows him time to regain stamina and attend to any wounds. I'm saying, based off feats, Cap's endurance and stamina and damage soak are all ridiculously high and the shit he's pulled off while being half dead suggests he can get through this.

Never said he'd beat Bane or Slade in moments. Mostly everyone else on that list, though? Yeah. He could easily one shot Zsaaz, Penguin, Hush, Deadshot, Joker, and Harley. And none of those I just mentioned, barring MAYBE Floyd, can give Cap a fight in which he'll be hurt seriously.

I'm assuming it would be the same Grundy Batman fights considering the nature of this thread, ie. one who is susceptible to pressure point attacks, can get his nose broken, and is generally a giant idiot whom Cap can dance circles around. Unless the OP, for whatever reason, decides it's going to be the most powerful Grundy ever.

He is going to cross .5 km and oneshot them before they do anything? Nope, not possible at all. Its cap, not spider-man.

Why? You are taking cap at his highest but opposition at lowest?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's cute considering Cap's very blatant stat advantage over Batman nowadays.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, no. Both Bane and Deathstroke are capable of beating him alone. If we're going by high end feats, DCnU Slade is a beast in that regard and so is Bane.

He is going to cross .5 km and oneshot them before they do anything? Nope, not possible at all. Its cap, not spider-man.

Why? You are taking cap at his highest but opposition at lowest?
When was the last time Cap fought for 28 hours straight Jake? If you're so sure about his stats being so much higher, you must have at least one feat above that, right?

Yeah, no...what? No Cap can't one shot pretty much everyone there barring Bane and Slade (Croc, I guess, too, to be fair and Grundy, too, but those are the main two we're discussing atm)? Because that's what I said. He's not going to have issues dealing with those jobbers when he can literally dismantle them with ease. Never said Slade or Bane aren't impressive. I'm merely saying Cap most certainly is.

WTF are those feebs gonna do to Cap? Shoot at him? Try to psychologically break him? Croc, Bane, Slade, and Grundy are the only real problems for him, and based off of feats, he can beat all four of them.

Their lowest? How do you figure that? Those guys being one shot by Cap isn't taking them at their lowest. It's acknowledging what Cap can do. Cap's insanity in Dimension Z is a good place to start. There's also the fact that his body doesn't produce fatigue toxins as well. Cap's always been at the least borderline superhuman. Since the past handful of years, it's just been way more blatant.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, no...what? No Cap can't one shot pretty much everyone there barring Bane and Slade (Croc, I guess, too, to be fair and Grundy, too, but those are the main two we're discussing atm)? Because that's what I said. He's not going to have issues dealing with those jobbers when he can literally dismantle them with ease. Never said Slade or Bane aren't impressive. I'm merely saying Cap most certainly is.

It's acknowledging what Cap can do. Cap's insanity in Dimension Z is a good place to start. There's also the fact that his body doesn't produce fatigue toxins as well. Cap's always been at the least borderline superhuman. Since the past handful of years, it's just been way more blatant.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are acting like Cap literally never gets trouble with anybody below him. Is he impressive enough to beat both Bane and Slade one after another? Not at all.

And based upon feats, they can beat him on their own. With four of them one after another? Cap gets beaten in a paste.

Grundy being beaten by Batman is certainly his lowest. Feats bro. I get you've no feat as good as fighting for 28 hours straight. Good.

Based off feats, his averages mind you, he would beat the crap out of the people I mentioned. It's feasible for him, yes.

It's possible they can beat him, too, yes. Though it's more likely Cap sons them after a fight.

And why wouldn't I - or anyone else - use the Grundy Batman faced when Cap is dealing with almost exclusively Batman foes in a Batman-based setting? OP can clarify if they wish, but really, it makes sense.

Cap fighting Zola's forces with his guts literally spilling out is the feat. Him practically single handily fighting a war that lasted for years as far as he was concerned nonstop while having to raise a child > fighting for 28 hours straight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based off feats, his averages mind you, he would beat the crap out of the people I mentioned. It's feasible for him, yes.

Him practically single handily fighting a war that lasted for years as far as he was concerned nonstop while having to raise a child > fighting for 28 hours straight.

Since when are Croc and Grundy "elite MA's"?

Floyd, Bane and Slade are. Grundy smashes MA.

uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he wouldn't. He is still competitive with characters like Daredevil, Black Panther and the likes. You wouldn't see him beating four of the elite MA one after another.

Nope. They can beat him on their own, maybe not for a majority. Getting damaged after fighting four of them? He would be turned to paste.

Because that's not how forum works. Grundy isn't exclusive to Bat-verse. We take averages of characters like Grundy.

Bruce fighting Talon after a sword ran through him and tortured, starved and dehydrated for one week and then beating the shit out of him is better. That wasn't nonstop fighting for years. Its like saying Batman was fighting 50 years straight when Captain Atom jumped into one of his futures. So much talk of stamina and you can't produce a single credible feat surpassing Batman's? Figures.

Daredevil and Black Panther would beat the shit out of those feebs, too. And Matt already admitted that a serious Cap is simply beyond him in almost every way that matters (bar his senses and whatnot).

Depends on how damaged he'd be. Considering Batman can fight Croc and while he'd struggle, ultimately emerge unscathed, I have no reason to believe Cap, who has better stats and an unbreakable shield, would do any less. Bane? Depends on the Venom intake, as I said. Slade? Probably his toughest fight overall. Cap beating both of them one right after the other wouldn't even be his most crazy feat ever.

How is that feat better? Especially when Batman doesn't have the physical formidability that Steve has nor the unique physiology that makes things like rest and fatigue far less of a concern to him than normal human beings? Outside of occasionally setting up camps at nightfall, they were constantly on the run, training and hunting and fighting day in and day out. There was also the time Cap was literally hurtled through time after his "death" and kept reliving all of his wars and battles constantly for what felt like decades to him. Cap's stamina is clearly greater than Batman's. Hell, all of his stats are better than Batman's.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Floyd, Bane and Slade are. Grundy smashes MA.

uhuh

That's only 3, you said 4.

Edit: Plus I don't consider Deadshot to be an elite MA