JakeTheBank
Return of the King
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they wouldn't. Slade would own Matt like a two bit whore. And yet, out of three or four fights they had, he has never looked bad. He has even beaten Cap once IIRC.ABC comparison? Batman knocked out wonder woman with a kick to the gut and stopped punches from Martian Manhunter. Bane on Venom is a serious beast nowadays. We are not taking him at his craziest though. Beating Cap wouldn't be their craziest feat either.
that's it. You are automatically asuming anything Cap does is automatically better than anything Bruce does. Cap fighting with his guts spilling out is't better than Bruce fighting with a sword through him. And that's why its not usable here, its not non-stop fighting. Batman constantly endured torture from Desaad for a decade non stop. Again not applicable. Batman fought through the dawn of time to the end of time in Return of Bruce Wayne. Yet, not one feat surpassing Bruce's feat. The only clear cut thing is strength. Batman can match him in nearly everything else. No wonder they have stalemated three times in comics.
Again, not talking about Croc/Slade/Bane/Grundy. Talking about literally everyone else on that list who Cap would definitely one shot...which seems to be the statement you have had issues with. T'Challa would probably just outright kill those jobbers and Matt would knock them out, too. And hell, given his claws/daggers, T'Challa's lethality would probably give him an advantage over Cap if placed in this scenario, anyway. Anyway, concerning Matt/Steve, the fact he's able to compete is a testament to his skill and ability, sure, but it was very clear who the superior man was.
Blatant PIS bullshit and you know it. Batman struggling physically with Croc's greater strength and being able to beat him anyway without being wounded or mauled is one thing. Him soloing the League is PIS of among the highest order. Tell me why exactly Cap, who has equal skill at the least of Batman and definitely has better stats than him, can't fight Croc and emerge victorious without being injured...especially given the properties of the shield?
Venom itself seems to be phucking outrageous. Batman punching Superman comes to mind.... 😐
Never said we were. And I never said beating Cap would be their all time best feats or craziest, either. My main point is and has been since I first posted that Cap has the feats to clear this. Not easily and not unscathed by the end, but clear it nonetheless. We can argue the "majority" or likelihood of it up and down, though, if you'd like.
Not automatically, no, but by looking at their feats. By feats, Cap is stronger, faster, tougher, and has better stamina/recovering ability than Batman. years ago, the difference was noticeable. Nowadays, it's pretty staggering. They don't even beat around the bush with that "peak human" classification hardly. Guy's superhuman across the board.
It was a non stop grueling campaign, ie. a war. Fighting a war practically single handily while constantly on the run from a superior force while trying to raise a child is a phucking insane long term feat. Continuing to fight that war - and win it - while ripping out your own guts and not even healing yourself properly is even more WTF worthy. And that's just a recent feat from Cap.
Batman's trip through time wasn't the same thing. Cap was actively engaging in combat most of the time. Batman fought in all those period, sure, but he wasn't always fighting someone. There were times when he was doing detective work or had "down time" in comparison to physical conflict. Cap didn't. It's a tremendous feat, don't get me wrong. But Cap was thrown in the thick of things wereas Batman had to problem solve and occasionally fight to get from one era to another.
Except the ones I mentioned and not the laundry list of things Cap has done over his career.
And speed. And agility. And durability. And damage soak. And toxin/foreign substance resistance. And Bruce conceded to Steve in the fight that actually mattered.
