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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How many things in small quantity are safe, but if abused would be bad?
All... things?

One requirement is halal

things in small quantity are safe, but if abused would be bad

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He made the district hospital (Cook) in (Chicago) made the following statement:
Summarized the proportion of deaths among all deaths in 3422 of pneumonia due to the injury.
78.49% of them are between excessive drinking.
40.34% of them are intermediate between the drinking of alcohol.
45.22% of them are among those who never drink, or drink a little.
And is similar to these numbers and this percentage another permit for the hospital (Bellevue) in the state (New York).
«In a thousand cases of pneumonia were five hundred of them are addicted to alcohol, while 24% of them who drink »

God says in the Holy Qur'an
128. Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad ) from amongst yourselves (i.e. whom you know well). It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He (Muhammad ) is anxious over you (to be rightly guided, to repent to Allah, and beg Him to pardon and forgive your sins, in order that you may enter Paradise and be saved from the punishment of the Hell-fire), for the believers (he is) full of pity, kind, and merciful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qWiznenhZY

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How many things in small quantity are safe, but if abused would be bad?

It might be easier to identify the opposite.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It might be easier to identify the opposite.

Yes, it would be a smaller list. So, just because something can be abused does not mean it will be abused. So, Muhammad was wrong?

Muhammed was wrong when he tried to preach theology incorrectly to the Jews, whom he later massacred out of anger, so yeah. From day one.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Muhammed was wrong when he tried to preach theology incorrectly to the Jews, whom he later massacred out of anger, so yeah. From day one.

Now we are both marked for death. 😱

I lol'd.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I lol'd.

At least eninn isn't threating me, like one of the Christians on this forum.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
At least eninn isn't threating me, like one of the Christians on this forum.

Quote me saying I was Christian..

From my time exploring Islam, I do remember that the Islamic teachings on alcohol changed a few times from don't be drunk at prayers all the way up to total abstinence.

Correct. Alcohol was never encouraged in Islaam, but there wasn't an outright prohibition during the earlier days. The prohibition was gradual - Allaah eased the people into it. The Arabs loved their wine/alcohol. It shows His absolute wisdom. The early days of the revelation were focused on informing the people of the Oneness of God in His Lordship, in worship, as well as in His Names and Attributes. It is only later, once the people's faith was firm, when many of the laws came down.

Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said,

"...If the first thing to be revealed was: 'Do not drink alcoholic drinks.' people would have said, 'We will never leave alcoholic drinks,' and if there had been revealed, 'Do not commit illegal sexual intercourse, 'they would have said, 'We will never give up illegal sexual intercourse.'...." [Saheeh al-Bukhaari]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2OTOja3AHA

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The Islamic perspective is that miracles can be God-given signs of prophethood, but don’t imply divinity. Hadith (narrations of the words, deeds, appearance, and tacit approvals of Muhammad) relate numerous miracles of Muhammad with greater historical authenticity than found in biblical manuscripts. While the science of hadith authentication is regarded as a wonder of historical recordkeeping, the Bible doesn’t satisfy many of the most basic standards of historical accuracy.

* For example, the authors of most of the books of the Bible (gospels included) are unknown, the time period in which they were written is ill-defined, and the source of much of the information is ambiguous. These issues will be discussed later at greater length, but just as a small teaser, let’s examine the story of Judas’ betrayal of Jesus to the chief priests. Who was the author, and why should we believe him? Was he present at the betrayal? If not, then where did he get his information? And if so, and he didn’t alert Jesus, then isn’t he a partner to the crime? And what kind of a gospel author would that be?
Sounds silly? Maybe. But then again, isn’t it sillier to trust salvation to a compilation of gospels and letters of unknown origin and authorship?

Let’s look at a few examples:
. Jesus fed thousands with a few fish and loaves of bread. But Elisha fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn (2 Kings 4:44); granted a widow such an abundant flow of oil from a jar that she was able to pay off her debts, save her sons from slavery, and live on the profits (2 Kings 4:1-7); and gave increase to a handful of flour and spot of oil such that he, a widow and her son had enough to eat for many days, after which “The bin of flour was not used up, nor did the jar of oil run dry …” (1 Kings 17:10-16). So what does that make Elisha? The historical record of Muhammad feeding the masses with a handful of dates on one occasion, a pot of milk on another, and enough meat for a small party on still another are equally miraculous. Likewise are the stories of his watering the masses (1,500 people on one occasion) from a single bowl of water. Yet no Muslim claims divinity for Muhammad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqdasghON98

@eninn, both the bible and the quran are fiction with history as a back drop. The miracles in both books never happened. They were added to give the books a mystical power so people could use them to control others.

These feeding miracles never happened.

Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 780:

Narrated by Jabir:

My father died in debt. So I came to the Prophet and said, "My father left unpaid debts, and I have nothing (to pay back the debt), except the yield of his Date Palm Trees; and their yield for many years will not cover his debt. So please come with me (to meet the creditors), so that the creditors may not misbehave with me." The Prophet went around one of the heaps of dates and invoked (Allah’s) blessings, and then did the same with another heap and sat on it and said, "Weigh (the dates)." He (Prophet Mohammad) paid them (the debtors) what they were entitled to and what remained was as much as had been paid to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zP1QYV__Jw

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Researchers in Australia have also estimated that 47% of all those who commit violent crimes, and 43% of all victims of these crimes, were drunk prior to the event. Alcohol is responsible for 44% of fire injuries, 34% of falls and drownings, 30% of car accidents, 16% of child abuse instances, and 7% of industrial accidents. Even though it is clear that alcohol is responsible for a great many evils it is legal and even encouraged in most societies. In Muslim countries where alcohol is forbidden many people still find it difficult to resist temptation and fall prey to the disease that is alcoholism. Amazingly even in the light of such startling evidence against alcohol, people around the globe continue to consume alcohol in ever-increasing amounts

the Old Testaments forbid the use of alcoholic wine Proverbs 23:31

Hosea said, “Wine enslaves the heart.” Hosea 4:11

Alcohol is also responsible for 59% of good times, 47% of awesome memories, and 90% of all parties.

dear brother

You can drink juice with friends and have a good times so no need for sin and the destruction of Health

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In Australia, a country with a population of around 20 million, about 3000 people die each year from alcohol abuse while 65,000 others are hospitalised. Studies have consistently revealed a link between heavy drinking and brain damage and around 2500 Australians are treated annually for alcohol related brain damage. Research in the United Kingdom indicates that 6% of cancer deaths are related to alcohol abuse and Harvard Centre for Cancer Prevention says that drinking greatly increases the risk for numerous cancers. Alcohol is considered highly carcinogenic, increasing the risk of mouth, pharynx, larynx, oesophagus, liver, and breast cancers. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can lead to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, causing the child to be small at birth, have some facial malformations, small eye openings, webbed or even missing fingers or toes, organ deformities, learning disabilities, mental retardation and much more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtvNA-ofbo

I mean, I'm with Allah on alcohol being shit (though, really, feels like he could have done something about it), but like if people want to enjoy alcohol (in moderation, or without impacting others), I think they should be free to do so.

Otherwise, Germany would quickly seize up and no longer be the economic power it is today.

Is eninn even talking to us?

Someone told me

Everytime ive gotten arrested eye was intoxicated..Well i went to jail two times sober, that was when i got picked up randomly for having warrants.

I've tried to stop drinking, its hard. I can but then what am i going to do..

So I gave him the advice to try to stay away from alcohol gradually, but quickly

The meaning is quite apparent

Small amount in their effect, such as the large amount

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AdzkdCIs9k&feature=player_embedded

Look at the legs of the bee

bees cut her leg
Result of drink,

and expel them from the cell because it violated the teachings of Islam, Sobhaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Allah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJf6k7dXE64

@eninn

Did you get drunk and arrested? I've never been arrested and I have been drunk before.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is eninn even talking to us?

No, he's speaking to the aether.

Why is it that religious fundamentalist people insist on preaching and not listening?