Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThere's a lot more than that on the table.
It might help her wake up, I suppose. But movie Darkrai didn't focus on his dream based powers anyway.I suppose now it's just a question of whether or not Luna can wake herself up or defeat Darkrai before she's hit by a Dark Void.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticePalkia can manipulate space, Dialga can manipulate time, either of them can do that, and in the anime their attacks are sub city level and can be blocked by Darkrai. shrug
I really have to doubt that. Considering that matter can't ever be erased and these two managed to literally do the impossible, that at least puts them on par.
Darkrai could be city+ level, continent level, or even planet level and his power would be vastly outstripped here.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Palkia can manipulate space, Dialga can manipulate time, either of them can do that, and in the anime their attacks are sub city level and can be blocked by Darkrai. shrugDarkrai could be city+ level, continent level, or even planet level and his power would be vastly outstripped here.
I fail to see how manipulation of Time and Space is equivalent to erasing matter from existence.
There's also no evidence for sub city level attacks from Palkia or Dialga. You have even admitted that Palkia and Dialga are capable of manipulating Time and Space, yet you won't put Dakrai on their level.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeBecause both powersets can be used to do this. In OoT Zelda with the ocarina erased Link from existence, she is not on Luna's level.
I fail to see how manipulation of Time and Space is equivalent to erasing matter from existence.There's also no evidence for sub city level attacks from Palkia or Dialga. You have even admitted that Palkia and Dialga are capable of manipulating Time and Space, yet you won't put Dakrai on their level.
Erasing things is a good power, but at the end of the day just having enough firepower is enough, and Luna has that in excess. As i mentioned before, she actually held back the elements of harmony for a moment. They're basically the Friendship Triforce of the setting.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Because both powersets can be used to do this. In OoT Zelda with the ocarina erased Link from existence, she is not on Luna's level.Erasing things is a good power, but at the end of the day just having enough firepower is enough, and Luna has that in excess. As i mentioned before, she actually held back the elements of harmony for a moment. They're basically the Friendship Triforce of the setting.
Zelda played a song to manipulate time to make it so that Link never existed. That's far from expelling an amount of energy to erase something through sheer power.
Okay...so now you're arguing that Luna is superior to Darkrai, because she essentially did the same thing that Darkrai did...
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeZelda manipulated time to erase Link, it's not so different from Dialga or Palkia's ability, she just used music.
Zelda played a song to manipulate time to make it so that Link never existed. That's far from expelling an amount of energy to erase something through sheer power.Okay...so now you're arguing that Luna is superior to Darkrai, because she essentially did the same thing that Darkrai did...
Darkrai didn't hold back anything like the elements of harmony, that's the thing. Also Luna only managed this for a moment. The movie versions of Palkia and Dialga simply aren't as powerful as they are in game, if they were this wouldn't be a thread. The elements are the most powerful thing in the entire setting, they're the only thing that can take down Discord, a trans level reality warper who casually ****s with Solars systems the way you and I might stir our coffee. haermm
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Zelda manipulated time to erase Link, it's not so different from Dialga or Palkia's ability, she just used music.Darkrai didn't hold back anything like the elements of harmony, that's the thing. Also Luna only managed this for a moment. The movie versions of Palkia and Dialga simply aren't as powerful as they are in game, if they were this wouldn't be a thread. The elements are the most powerful thing in the entire setting, they're the only thing that can take down Discord, a trans level reality warper who casually ****s with Solars systems the way you and I might stir our coffee. haermm
Except they did not use time to make it so that something never existed, it was the amount of energy released that simply erased things from existence.
Except he ****ing did. How you can seriously say that I do not know. Elements of harmony? Sounds like something that maintains order and balance in the universe, and allows for all the universe's neat things like friendship. That sounds an awful lot like time and space, the cooperation of which in the Pokemon universe allows for the universe to exist, and also both of which you just admitted could singularly create another universe.
I don't drink coffee.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeAs far as the universe OoT Link was erased from is concerned, the effect is exactly the same.
Except they did not use time to make it so that something never existed, it was the amount of energy released that simply erased things from existence.Except he ****ing did. How you can seriously say that I do not know. Elements of harmony? Sounds like something that maintains order and balance in the universe, and allows for all the universe's neat things like friendship. That sounds an awful lot like time and space, the cooperation of which in the Pokemon universe allows for the universe to exist, and also both of which you just admitted could singularly create another universe.
I don't drink coffee.
I'm not sure where you're going with this, Moo. Darkrai held back Palkia and Dialga in the anime, but the anime versions are not as powerful as the game versions. If they were this would be a stomp, the level of power they sit at in the anime, and Arceus along with them, is just far below what the Moon Princess can manage.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Darkrai.Suck it.