Prof. T.C McAbe
Kryptonian Scientist
Originally posted by Astner
I just glossed over it, but the Final Crisis lifting feat was probably the weakest presentation as far as reasoning was concerned. But it did bring up some valid points like the book's weight was never specified.But even so it did provide the proper context for the feat with no page-jumps—which allows people who haven't read the comic a chance catch up with what actually happened; and they even specify the comic, so even if you're skeptic towards the presentation you can easily look it up.
What intention?
I was talking specifically about what they did in the Deathbattle video; which they did in their original video as well. In the last one they said that Superman and Wonder Woman lifted the Spectre, but the comic actually specifies that the Spectre is too heavy for them and in the very next panel he crashes into the Earth; and the comic never specified that the Spectre's weight was infinite, or even close like they did video. And the original video had Superman, Martial Manhunter and Wonder Woman moving the Earth; while it was actually Kyle Rayner who moved it. Both of these feats are debunked on the site.
It was specified as "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space", which is a spot on description. Every speculation to it not having an infinite number of pages is just that speculation. Morrision gave us the fact, it's not up to some wannabe on a personal page to "debunk" it with his bias tbh.
Even if the "every book possible" was taken out of context. We have to first think about earth, pre-cris, post-crisis, the infinite possiblities of each earth due to it's timeline, the differen't alternate Universes, an infinite number of earths, pre-cris and an infinite number of possible earths in the future. Even if it would work as wished by some wannabes, that it is like an ipod and that it contains the information, logic would even then suggest that each book needs something to be stored at and even if we take the lowest weight possible for the storage space, we have still an in-phucking-finity of books which would mean an infinite weight.
Morrisons intention was to have the ultimate force of good face the ultimate evil and having to face impossible tasks in order to beat it. Lifting an infinite weight, containing the uncontainable bleed etc. Good will always beat evil, good will always succeed, even if it's impossible to.
The hold him, they slowed him, they failed in this story line, but for a short time they resisted the infinite pull. The spectres weight was eternity and eternity is heavy, this implication is rather simple as eternity is everything that was, is and will ever be. The earth pull feat, way to go jumping from page 41 to page 45, I didn't read the comic but it makes me wonder, 4 pages of commercials or context left out? Anyway, since Superman benchpressed the weight of earth for 5 days without sunlight this is not even important.
Now to the guy who made the page. I try to see the bigger picture, the reason behind it. A Butthurt DB fan? Seems so but once you look at Hulks entry and Gladiators entry some character pattern becomes a rather big possibility. Someone wants his favorite hero to be the one with unlimited power/strength, the hulk, he tries to prove it by his "objective" view of things, accepting gladly each statement of Hulk having infinite strength, even if it is not back up by feats, while trying way too hard to dismiss Supermans infinite potential/strength even if it is back up by feats (that have to be debunked). It becomes even more obvious if you look at the debunked feat, a single one mind you, of Gladiator, which is only debunked to promote the Hulk and thus implying that he is also above Superman. The page is just about Marvel heroes the wannabe wants to be above Superman. Funny enough, this kind of reaction most likely comes from someone who lost all debates on a CBvForum and now tries to spill his, and his only, "truth" over a website where no one can "prove" him wrong. It's like: If I don't see it, If I don't hear it I will be always right. This site is from a rather pathetic individual imo who just ignores everything to be once in his life "right".
I still can laugh at it. ^^