If Sentry is at his most powerful then I say he wins. This dude can't die unless he wants to, so if he is really determined, they'll keep killing him and killing him, and he'll just keep coming back until he's worn them down. And at that point, he takes them out.
He's come back from the dead three times I can think of and has even ressurected another human being with a touch. The dude is practically deus ex.
And you can all call me retarded or whatever, but I stand by my f*cking word.
Originally posted by RockofAgesBlue Marvel kocked Sentry out and Sentry was been pushed to his limits.
If Sentry is at his most powerful then I say he wins. This dude can't die unless he wants to, so if he is really determined, they'll keep killing him and killing him, and he'll just keep coming back until he's worn them down. And at that point, he takes them out.He's come back from the dead three times I can think of and has even ressurected another human being with a touch. The dude is practically deus ex.
And you can all call me retarded or whatever, but I stand by my f*cking word.
Bob ends up star gazing again
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Blue Marvel kocked Sentry out and Sentry was been pushed to his limits.Bob ends up star gazing again
He was knocked out, but he wasn't killed. They can knock him out as many times as they want, he'll keep waking up and keep coming back. And if they kill him, he'll keep waking up and keep coming back.
Also, the Sentry at his most powerful means he also has access to the powers of the void. Do you really think Blue Marvel can defeat the void? Highly unlikely to statistically improbable.
Sentry at his most powerful will win this match eventually, just like he will win EVERY match eventually.
I love Sentry, he's a superhero who actually helped me overcome a lot of mental issues, drug BS, and keep my "void" persona in check but that being said while I wish he'd come back with the D-Seed and have the power of a hundred billion black holes and have femtosecond...no, yoctosecond reaction time, and end up beating Blue Marvel black and blue from one end of the Universe to the other all within the blink of an eye (BM wouldn't be able to register what was going on we would only know from Sentrys input, and when he loses it, he ends up killing him before anyone knows what even happened and he was beating on a dead corpse for most of the time across the vast star ocean), all while shattering multiverses with glancing blows from his fists, no his aura alone, just to recreate it all on a whim.
I'm talking so powerful that Marvel brings back Pre Retcon Beyonder and Full powered Molecule Man, and they fuse but Sentrys new power completely dwarfs them like comparing a grain of sand to rest of the Omniverse...
buuuuuuut that isn't the case.
Sentry falls here, hard :c
Originally posted by RockofAgesyup as I thought I'm wasting my time, you don't even know a knock out is a win
He was knocked out, but he wasn't killed. They can knock him out as many times as they want, he'll keep waking up and keep coming back. And if they kill him, he'll keep waking up and keep coming back.Also, the Sentry at his most powerful means he also has access to the powers of the void. Do you really think Blue Marvel can defeat the void? Highly unlikely to statistically improbable.
Sentry at his most powerful will win this match eventually, just like he will win EVERY match eventually.
Originally posted by RockofAgesExcept a ko is a loss these matches arent automatically deathmatches. Completely immobilizing him works too not sure why people dont read the basic rules 😐
He was knocked out, but he wasn't killed. They can knock him out as many times as they want, he'll keep waking up and keep coming back. And if they kill him, he'll keep waking up and keep coming back.Also, the Sentry at his most powerful means he also has access to the powers of the void. Do you really think Blue Marvel can defeat the void? Highly unlikely to statistically improbable.
Sentry at his most powerful will win this match eventually, just like he will win EVERY match eventually.
Re: Sentry vs. Odin, Zeus,Mangog, Surtur
Originally posted by ShadowFyreSentry at his most powerful would simply atomize them with a gesture.
The general consensus on KMC is that Sentry can beat basically whoever he wants to. I personally dont see why he is being put up here. So I would like to gauge a cap at his power level if he even has one.This is Sentry at his MOST POWERFUL version and you can include the Death seed vs these guys at their most powerful.
Let the debates begin. This shouldnt be closed as spite as their is multiple posters believing this is a fair fight.
Please give evidence as to who would win.
Let me explain to you where the Sentry stands:
Judging by his highest showings he is more powerful than your average high herald and surpasses even the most powerful (in my opinion) high herald = Thor.
Sentry is at least a trans-level character thanks to his overall power-set and abilities he has shown throughout the years.
To compete with him you need a specific power-set... Silver Surfer would have a better shot than Thor, because Silver Surfer can reform to a degree and can cause quick, big damage on the Sentry - but with Sentry's ability to reform out of nothing and a level of molecule manipulation, where I seriously doubt that Silver Surfer would be able to overcome it I see the Surfer losing as well.
With that being said ... No one should ever place the Sentry higher than a trans-character, because the only feat that would put him into such a position is him beating the Molecule Man, who was also at least a trans-level character judging by the fact that he ripped apart Sentry multiple times like he was nothing - the Sentry, who was at least a high herald at that point, where he was not in clear about his powers.
Arguing the Sentry in a fight against Skyfather level opponents becomes a debate of Molecule Man being able to defeat these opponents or not and if he can, then Sentry automatically can as well, since his molecule manipulation seems to be even more powerful in terms of raw power.
And now listen good, you stupid idiots (and this is directed to the typical BS posters here like Raj, Batman-Prime, Darkone and few other scumbags):
We always go by the most current versions of characters and now, when it comes to the Sentry I'm not even talking about Death Seed Sentry - I'm talking about the regular Sentry, who experienced a big development shortly before he died.
Shortly before he died, he learned about his powers. He said that he was able to control these powers and in appearances from there on he had the golden / black molecule aura around him nearly all the time. Now in Uncanny Avengers he was still using it, when beating Thor down.
So from his fight against Molecule Man on he gained a massive power boost by simply learning about the type of his power set and being able to control it.
Brining up fights from before to make him look bad - just makes you look so biased and pathetic and damn, I hope that you - the reader - stick to this part ...
Let post MM Sentry fight Blue Marvel and then look at the outcome of the fight (but funnily enough I give Blue Marvel a good chance of beating the Sentry due to his antimatter powers and Sentry thinking that antimatter is draining his power and weakening him, which happened in the Negative Zone, where Void was absorbing that power) ...
So Blue Marvel's only shot is energy projection and the HOPE that Sentry doesn't mind antimatter anymore like he did in the past - now where has a better understanding of his powers everything can be different.
And also never forget that Sentry defeated Blue Marvel. Yes, he got cocky, talked too much and got cought ... happens to the best fighters - happened to Anderson Silva as well and I hope it will happen to him again, when he faces Chris Weidman ...
... But Sentry came back after a shorty recovery time, bullrushed Blue Marvel into the ground and logically took the same damage in the process - that overloaded Blue Marvel's durability and Blue Marvel collapsed, while Sentry was still standing - barely, but still standing.
And besides that there is no low showing for the Sentry in the entire encounter, since getting caught by someone, who is able to split the Moon in half with one punch is more of a durability feat, since the Sentry only had a bloodied up nose afterwards and didn't take more lasting damage.
Originally posted by Enzeruprofiled for been a complete bell endLet me explain to you where the Sentry stands:
Judging by his highest showings he is more powerful than your average high herald and surpasses even the most powerful (in my opinion) high herald = Thor.
Sentry is at least a trans-level character thanks to his overall power-set and abilities he has shown throughout the years.
To compete with him you need a specific power-set... Silver Surfer would have a better shot than Thor, because Silver Surfer can reform to a degree and can cause quick, big damage on the Sentry - but with Sentry's ability to reform out of nothing and a level of molecule manipulation, where I seriously doubt that Silver Surfer would be able to overcome it I see the Surfer losing as well.With that being said ... No one should ever place the Sentry higher than a trans-character, because the only feat that would put him into such a position is him beating the Molecule Man, who was also at least a trans-level character judging by the fact that he ripped apart Sentry multiple times like he was nothing - the Sentry, who was at least a high herald at that point, where he was not in clear about his powers.
Arguing the Sentry in a fight against Skyfather level opponents becomes a debate of Molecule Man being able to defeat these opponents or not and if he can, then Sentry automatically can as well, since his molecule manipulation seems to be even more powerful in terms of raw power.
[b]And now listen good, you stupid idiots (and this is directed to the typical BS posters here like Raj, Batman-Prime, Darkone and few other scumbags):
We always go by the most current versions of characters and now, when it comes to the Sentry I'm not even talking about Death Seed Sentry - I'm talking about the regular Sentry, who experienced a big development shortly before he died.
Shortly before he died, he learned about his powers. He said that he was able to control these powers and in appearances from there on he had the golden / black molecule aura around him nearly all the time. Now in Uncanny Avengers he was still using it, when beating Thor down.So from his fight against Molecule Man on he gained a massive power boost by simply learning about the type of his power set and being able to control it.
Brining up fights from before to make him look bad - just makes you look so biased and pathetic and damn, I hope that you - the reader - stick to this part ...
Let post MM Sentry fight Blue Marvel and then look at the outcome of the fight (but funnily enough I give Blue Marvel a good chance of beating the Sentry due to his antimatter powers and Sentry thinking that antimatter is draining his power and weakening him, which happened in the Negative Zone, where Void was absorbing that power) ...So Blue Marvel's only shot is energy projection and the HOPE that Sentry doesn't mind antimatter anymore like he did in the past - now where has a better understanding of his powers everything can be different.
And also never forget that Sentry defeated Blue Marvel. Yes, he got cocky, talked too much and got cought ... happens to the best fighters - happened to Anderson Silva as well and I hope it will happen to him again, when he faces Chris Weidman ...
... But Sentry came back after a shorty recovery time, bullrushed Blue Marvel into the ground and logically took the same damage in the process - that overloaded Blue Marvel's durability and Blue Marvel collapsed, while Sentry was still standing - barely, but still standing.And besides that there is no low showing for the Sentry in the entire encounter, since getting caught by someone, who is able to split the Moon in half with one punch is more of a durability feat, since the Sentry only had a bloodied up nose afterwards and didn't take more lasting damage. [/B]
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So if we go by simply who has beaten someone one time? Then Hulk> time Thor> glory> galactus
Are you talking about Sentry beating the Molecule Man?
You did see the fashion in which he beat him, right?
And you did see the fashion in which his evil side broke the Hulk? And you did see the fashion in which he was manhandeling Thor? And you did see the fashion in which his evil side was ignoring Loki's attacks and ripping him apart?
All of the characters named characters are mid to high to very high heralds and they basically all lost to Sentry and Void.
What keeps the Sentry back on battle forums are his low showings, but let's face it ... every herald, who joins the Avengers is just asking for low showings ... take a look at Thor - throughout the years of him being an Avenger he has gathered quite a few low showings as well, but from time to time he unleashes as well and we get threat feats, which establish him as one of the highest high heralds.
But then you have butthurt people, who don't accept that Sentry either defeated, or can defeat their favorite superpowered character (and that is perfectly understandable, really) ... so they start concentrating on all of the low showings.
How could Sentry possibly beat Thor in a real fight, when he was badly hurt by the Helicarrier - who he in the end still defeated? How could Sentry possibly beat the living crap out of Superman, when he was knocked out by Blue Marvel - who he in the end still defeated?
That's the problem with the majority of the posters here and not only when it comes to the Sentry ... they only look for the low showings to downgrade the character, when he is threatening their favorite character. It's really laughable. Debating at this point becomes a horrific waste of time - which debating in the end of the day always is, even when it's good.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I can accept Sentry in the trans position. That doesent bother me at all. But do you think he can take all of these guys at the same time? 4 skyfathers?
There was a Sentry VS Odin thread recently and I gave Odin 10/10.
Odin has a rich history of over the top feats and he has established himself as a powerful entity.
Sentry maybe having the potential to beat him in a fight doesn't even matter at that point, since the only thing that supports that thought is Sentry's legit immortality and him being able to rip apart powerful matter manipulators - but it's simply to speculative to dive into it.
I always use to say the same thing: Letting the Sentry fight such powerful beings is just looking at how Molecule Man, who has more feats than the Sentry in that department would do against them and then deciding by that ... and that's not the point of debating Sentry fights.
Sentry is by default not a legit Skyfather, since he didn't have the time to establish such a potential powerlevel further, so he should never be in such a forum battle.
With that being said ... Putting the Sentry in fights is overall always very hard.
Look at what the guy has done ... he was in a weakened state, when he took on the Hulk - the Hulk, who in my opinion is a mid-herald (mainly due to his lack of versatility) in his Savage state and only gets more powerful from there on and the Hulk, who gave Thor so many good fights and won some of those.
And the Sentry stalemated an even more powerful version of the Hulk, while being in a weak mental state, which simply exponentially depowers him.
He also faced and kinda stalemated Photon (who had massive upgrades), until he got BFR'ed - and Photon was above high heralds at that point.
Sentry is clearly above high heralds, when at his best. He is a low trans character at least, but getting higher and higher in the tier becomes way too speculative.
(And with that being said I still think that Sentry has what it takes to defeat Thanos, due to his speed advantage, insane regeneration and versatility and raw damage output)