Re: Re: Rank these weapons!
Originally posted by Mr Master
===================================Excalibur, is beyond the rest.
(a gesture with the sword has re-created an entire Universe,
and even easily killed with one stroke 3 major-Universal Concepts (Oblivion/Death/Entropy) who had merged as one)Twilight, would come next at some point far below.
The rest.
Originally posted by Warlord
no actual feats from what i remember though, ri9ght
Whe he was about to become one with the Universe (or become the Universe or God, I can't recall it properly) he rejected the power and God said something like "you did well my son". So no, no feats, just the implications Universe-supreme being, everything was possible.
Re: Re: Rank these weapons!
Originally posted by Mr Master
===================================Excalibur, is beyond the rest.
(a gesture with the sword has re-created an entire Universe,
and even easily killed with one stroke 3 major-Universal Concepts (Oblivion/Death/Entropy) who had merged as one)Twilight, would come next at some point far below.
The rest.
Are alternate reality showings usable?
Also, i agree that Excalibur comes 1st but i wouldn't place Twilight far below, seeing how it was able to recreate all reality in a matter of seconds in an Avengers story.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
👆 Makes you one with the universe, maybe even the God of the Universe or maybe even the supreme being (arguable).
it was going to expand his consciousness across the universe, yes.
But apart from statements it didn't do much, though they're most likely true considering that on panel we see the sword forged from the big bang itself, and we see the sword draws its power from the primeval matter.
Though i doubt it makes the user a supreme being.
Re: Re: Re: Rank these weapons!
Originally posted by operator616
Twilight....... was able to recreate all reality in a matter of seconds in an Avengers story.
Re: Re: Re: Rank these weapons!
Originally posted by operator616Are alternate reality showings usable?
In another arc, 616 Brian remade an alternate universe but he also used prime Excalibur.
The events took place in alternate realities, true,
but the weapon was the same one on the list above.
Originally posted by operator616Also, i agree that Excalibur comes 1st but i wouldn't place Twilight far below, seeing how it was able to recreate all reality in a matter of seconds in an Avengers story.
Twilight needed the amping of the Scarlet Witch's reality altering abilities,
the asgardian Norn Stones,
plus Morgan's own inherent magics.
Originally posted by operator616it was going to expand his consciousness across the universe, yes.
But apart from statements it didn't do much, though they're most likely true considering that on panel we see the sword forged from the big bang itself, and we see the sword draws its power from the primeval matter.
Though i doubt it makes the user a supreme being.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rank these weapons!
Originally posted by Mr MasterI'm referring to 616 Excalibur which was located in Reality-9777 killing Jude.
The events took place in alternate realities, true,
but the weapon was the same one on the list above.In another arc, 616 Brian remade an alternate universe but he also used prime Excalibur.
I know that you're referring to the Earth X trilogy - Paradise X to be more specific - i just didn't realize that alternate reality showings are usable. And im still not.
Yeah, Excalibur v2 mini. Never said otherwise.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Twilight needed the amping of the Scarlet Witch's reality altering abilities,
the asgardian Norn Stones,
plus Morgan's own inherent magics.
Originally posted by zopzop
It wasn't just the Twilight Sword though was it? There were other artifacts no? And the Scarlet Witch had a role in that too, if I'm remembering correctly.
Not sure i follow. She needed Wanda's power to tap into the power of the sword:
http://i.imgur.com/4xfyaaR.jpg?1
On panel it's been mentioned many times. 1st issue says that Wanda's power merely bridges the gap between Morgan's power and the sword's (to be able to tap into its power)
http://i.imgur.com/eu1oSYx.jpg?1
2nd issue says the same thing:
http://i.imgur.com/O8D1yGN.jpg?1
10th issue (a recap) says the same:
http://i.imgur.com/sBtMcda.jpg?1
And the 3rd issue says that Scarlet Witch's powers is what allows her to wield the sword (to be able to tap into its power):
http://i.imgur.com/9g1QrkG.jpg?1
All the reality-warping was done by the sword.
The ranking of Aquaman's trident depends on if it's the post or pre flashpoint one. The Trident he had pre flashpoint was a gift from Poseidon to thank him for freeing him from Hades. That trident wasn't far behind mjilnor with similar power. It countered all magic, allowed magic itself, dimensional manipulation, plus complete control over water. The water control was so great Aq could cause earth quakes by affecting the pressure on tectonic plates and could form control fog, most or even condensation/water vapor.
If it's that version it's only a few spots behind mjilnor nu 52 version nearer the bottom.
Originally posted by operator616
I know that you're referring to the Earth X trilogy - Paradise X to be more specific - i just didn't realize that alternate reality showings are usable. And im still not.Yeah, Excalibur v2 mini. Never said otherwise.
Not sure i follow. She needed Wanda's power to tap into the power of the sword:
http://i.imgur.com/4xfyaaR.jpg?1
On panel it's been mentioned many times. 1st issue says that Wanda's power merely bridges the gap between Morgan's power and the sword's (to be able to tap into its power)
http://i.imgur.com/eu1oSYx.jpg?1
2nd issue says the same thing:
http://i.imgur.com/O8D1yGN.jpg?1
10th issue (a recap) says the same:
http://i.imgur.com/sBtMcda.jpg?1
And the 3rd issue says that Scarlet Witch's powers is what allows her to wield the sword (to be able to tap into its power):
http://i.imgur.com/9g1QrkG.jpg?1
All the reality-warping was done by the sword.
The Twilight Sword was also powerful enough to warp reality across the Nine Realms in Avengers Prime:
I also remember it warping reality to defeat Ymir who was merging with Earth's dimension or something in the Avengers one-shot.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe Twilight Sword was also powerful enough to warp reality across the Nine Realms in Avengers Prime:
I remember people once trying to pin Odin as a universal power.
Then I flipped pages and noticed it was based on him shunting the full power of Twilight
into the "Sea of Space"
also known as "Asgard Space" (a pocket-realm)
It didn't even burn all of that, it was contained, but whateva.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI also remember it warping reality to defeat Ymir who was
merging with Earth's dimension or something in the Avengers one-shot.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's what it seems like from those 3 scans, but I'd like to read that in full,
including prior issues and follow ups. So, all I need is this particular #,
I'll research the rest myself and return.I remember people once trying to pin Odin as a universal power.
Then I flipped pages and noticed it was based on him shunting the full power of Twilight
into the "Sea of Space"
also known as "Asgard Space" (a pocket-realm)
It didn't even burn all of that, it was contained, but whateva.That was local, just to close the rift between dimensions.
It was Avengers Prime, a mini-series. That was from #5.
It IS a feat of Universal power (And more) as negated a massive amount of power. Odin containing it by shunting it to his realm is no less of a feat:
Asgard space isn't a pocket realm. The Nine Worlds are each fully fledged Universes and the World Tree links to the Megaverse as confirmed in Matt Fraction's run.
I need to double check scans as I don't have that issue, I'll let you know later.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was Avengers Prime, a mini-series. That was from #5.It IS a feat of Universal power (And more) as negated a massive amount of power. Odin containing it by shunting it to his realm is no less of a feat
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Asgard space isn't a pocket realm. The Nine Worlds are each fully fledged Universes and the World Tree links to the Megaverse as confirmed in Matt Fraction's run.I need to double check scans as I don't have that issue, I'll let you know later.
Even in this official detailed description by Strange concerning the Multiverse: (a taste)
I also have several more literal stamps of the term "Pocket"
labelled on Asgard Space/Sea of Space on panel which I have
on dvds so give me a good sec, but I am interested in seeing what
it is you're talking about.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Imo, it isn't universal let-alone anything more. The explosive power was shunted (directed)
into Asgard Space where it was contained, but not by anyone including Odin,
the fires are burning in there in some area, just not all areas.
There's actually no reference I found to what exactly happened to the fire.
But we know it couldn't have burned entirely the Pocket-universe Asgard Space/Sea of Space,
because we later saw Odin and that chic enter the portal into Asgard Space,
and they seemed just fined later conversing.
What? Surtur was going to burn All the Nine Realms, and using Other-world as a conduit would have burned the entire Multiverse. Even if you want to assume his fire would have been a spark that would have grown into a flame, that is still a feat far beyond Universal.
You do know that if Odin is capable of negating the totality of that power, protecting the two of them is well within his capabilities? We clearly saw Asgard Space burning, even the portal that they step into.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool. But I gotta see the validation for self.
Because Asgard Space and the rest of the bordered realms like Meph's and such,
are Pocket-realms/universes/dimensions since back in the day.Even in this official detailed description by Strange concerning the Multiverse: (a taste)
I also have several more literal stamps of the term "Pocket"
labelled on Asgard Space/Sea of Space on panel which I have
on dvds so give me a good sec, but I am interested in seeing what
it is you're talking about.
Here you go (The guy with the glasses explains it) along with some other World Tree related scans from Fraction's run:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tampering and unleashing its power literally warps all of reality, and if not careful it can destroy all of creation.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree5.jpgThe Cosmic Axis also connects to not only the Nine Worlds but a much larger Metaverse structrue:
For something a bit more recent, the entire Galactus arc as about the World Seed, that will bloom and create the next cycle of creation as everything ends, it's power is unending:
Also note that Asgard and all the Nine Worlds are the hearts of their own fully formed Universes like Earth is for the 616, Asgard's is known as Asgard-Space as of Fraction.The Tenth World came from their own Universe which was suffering Entropic Death:
The feat was never impressive because the World Tree is big, it was impressive because the World Tree is powerful. Also, the World Tree is infinitely big, it spans all of space/time, what we see is just a visual representation. For example:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16179239/The_Mighty_Thor_1_013-14.jpg.html
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg
