Supergod Hercules vs Celestials

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
On a serious note, the axe is stupid.

The previous two most powerful weapons (Destroyer and original OdinSword) can't really accomplish anything against the Celestials backed by an amped Odin, but a random enchantment we never heard of can just obliterate Celestials?
It's just bad writing tbh.

Plus, the Celestials have an immense healing factor too, and apparently this thing just supersedes that? Is it also kryptonite?

On an in canon note, it makes a little bit of sense since if Odin did this he would have had a war with the Celestials, and that would have been bad. But then again, if he would have beaten them with the Armor and Sword...

Here's one for Zop though. The axe fails to kill Apocalypse, but it kills a Celestial. And the axe gets stuck in Baron's head, yet it can pierce through Celestial armor.

It's not the Axe, we all know comics + prep = ridiculous sh|t happening.

It's the enchantment on the Axe. As it said on panel, it's actually a "simple" enchantment, but the safeguard put into place only allows Odin or his blood relatives to use it.

Think about this. All it takes to kill a Celestial is a 'simple' enchantment. WTF Marvel.

Originally posted by zopzop
I agree 100% with what you said but you're not seeing my point.

It's not the Axe, we all know comics + prep = ridiculous sh|t happening.

It's the enchantment on the Axe. As it said on panel, it's actually a "simple" enchantment, but the safeguard put into place only allows Odin or his blood relatives to use it.

Think about this. All it takes to kill a Celestial is a 'simple' enchantment. WTF Marvel.

Apparently a random simple enchantment > Amped Odin with the Destroyer Armor, and the Odin Sword

The only way it makes sense is if the Asgardians didn't actually know what the enchantment actually did, and the scope of it, and Kang due to time mucking knew the real potential. But it looks like they did.

Honestly, it's one of the laziest examples of writing in current comics especially considering how classic Thor 300 is, but it is what it is.

I thought the spell was place AFTER Thor fight against Apocalypse? Thought that was the reason Thor was able to cut through Apocalypse the second go round.

Originally posted by carver9
I thought the spell was place AFTER Thor fight against Apocalypse? Thought that wad the reason Thor was able to cut through Apocalypse the second go round.

Also, Thor tanked the axe too... I forgot about that. Next comic has it killing a Celestial

How is this any different than Thor #300? Odin and his ilk were inexplicably powered down and so much of Asgardian history and lore was retconned for no other reason then integrating Celestials into the Marvel Universe and stream lining the pantheons. Suddenly everything was in preparation for the Celestials, all previous history was ignored and Odin and his kind were born out of the consciousness of humans, Thor and Asgard were suddenly 2000 years old and all their memories were implanted as Odin created Asgardians fully grown.

People are complaining about an axe when we had that shit thrown at us in the past? GTFO.

I hope in a future issue, it's revealed that the Celestial Races was randomly, and for no apparent reason created by Buri and Odin goes around one shotting hundreds of them. Then if people ***** and moan, I'd understand.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
After the first fight. Before the second fight.

Also, Thor tanked the axe too... I forgot about that. Next comic has it killing a Celestial

I wouldn't call this tanking the axe...

http://i.imgur.com/3zL5gMn.jpg

We see blood. Also, the axe was made to kill 'Celestials', so Thor withstanding it isn't that bad of a showing imo.

He got up and almost sliced Apocalypse in half right after that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How is this any different than Thor #300? Odin and his ilk were inexplicably powered down and so much of Asgardian history and lore was retconned for no other reason then integrating Celestials into the Marvel Universe and stream lining the pantheons. Suddenly everything was in preparation for the Celestials, all previous history was ignored and Odin and his kind were born out of the consciousness of humans, Thor and Asgard were suddenly 2000 years old and all their memories were implanted as Odin created Asgardians fully grown.

People are complaining about an axe when we had that shit thrown at us in the past? GTFO.

I hope in a future issue, it's revealed that the Celestial Races was randomly, and for no apparent reason created by Buri and Odin goes around one shotting hundreds of them. Then if people ***** and moan, I'd understand.

Congrats I guess.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How is this any different than Thor #300? Odin and his ilk were inexplicably powered down and so much of Asgardian history and lore was retconned for no other reason then integrating Celestials into the Marvel Universe and stream lining the pantheons. Suddenly everything was in preparation for the Celestials, all previous history was ignored and Odin and his kind were born out of the consciousness of humans, Thor and Asgard were suddenly 2000 years old and all their memories were implanted as Odin created Asgardians fully grown.

People are complaining about an axe when we had that shit thrown at us in the past? GTFO.

I hope in a future issue, it's revealed that the Celestial Races was randomly, and for no apparent reason created by Buri and Odin goes around one shotting hundreds of them. Then if people ***** and moan, I'd understand.

The Gods are tied to their human worshipers. Hell, Thor couldn't even summon a storm in Greece and was laughed at by an Athenian.

Originally posted by zopzop
Huh? How do you explain this then?

Thor Annual 5 (1976). Four years before Thor 300 (1980).

The Gods are tied to their human worshipers. Hell, Thor couldn't even summon a storm in Greece and was laughed at by an Athenian.

I never said there never existed a previous connections between Gods and worship but the changes were not to the extreme extent as in the issues leading up to Thor #300 which in turn led to Annual #10. Gruenwald, Englehart and Thomas wanted everything fitting into nice little pieces as if comics were handbooks no matter how much they had to change/ignore. Very annoying.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He got up and almost sliced Apocalypse in half right after that.

You out zopped the zop.

Congrats I guess.

I just find it both silly and amusing that people are complaining about the axe to the extent that they are. When the comic they're basing their opinion on did the exact same thing they dislike. Except to a much greater extent.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There was some previous connections between Gods and worship in the past but not to the extreme extent in the issues leading up to Thor #300 which led to Annual #10.

Thor was powerless (he had no control over the weather) in Greece.

Thor got his @$$ handed to him in Greece by some random Athenian because he had no power there since the Greeks didn't worship him or his kind.

It doesn't get any more extreme than that. The explanation given also made damn good sense.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you read the scan? Do you have the issue?

Thor was powerless (he had no control over the weather) in Greece.

Thor got his @$$ handed to him in Greece by some random Athenian because he had no power there since the Greeks didn't worship him or his kind.

It doesn't get any more extreme than that. The explanation given also made damn good sense.

Yes, I do.

Okay, first of all, it was implied that Odin was who prevented Thor from calling on his power=:

Second, Thor never got his ass handed to him by anyone in Greece you completely made that up. Smh. We even see him fight Hercules and he looked like at least his equal. We even see Loki using his magic to start a war between Asgard and Olympus in the throne room of Zeus himself:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, I do.

Okay, first of all, it was implied that Odin was who prevented Thor from calling on his power=:

Second, Thor never got his ass handed to him by anyone in Greece you completely made that up. Smh.

Originally posted by zopzop
Where did you get that idea from? Thor was pissed because he thought Odin had taken away what he "won" in the battle with Olypmus, namely the Greeks and their homelands. Odin told him straight up it was never theirs to win and went about explaining why.

I believe Odin taking away what he won was the reason why he couldn't use any of his power in Greece. Besides, as we saw after in Thor Annual #8 and before in Thor Annual #3, Thor can use his powers in the land of the Greeks without any problem.

Originally posted by zopzop
You're right, I overstated it but he was humiliated by an Athenian commoner :

Overstating? Some rude old man didn't recognize them, that's a far cry away from Thor being beat up by some power less mortal.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
On a serious note, the axe is stupid.

The previous two most powerful weapons (Destroyer and original OdinSword) can't really accomplish anything against the Celestials backed by an amped Odin, but a random enchantment we never heard of can just obliterate Celestials?
It's just bad writing tbh.

Plus, the Celestials have an immense healing factor too, and apparently this thing just supersedes that? Is it also kryptonite?

On an in canon note, it makes a little bit of sense since if Odin did this he would have had a war with the Celestials, and that would have been bad. But then again, if he would have beaten them with the Armor and Sword...

Here's one for Zop though. The axe fails to kill Apocalypse, but it kills a Celestial. And the axe gets stuck in Baron's head, yet it can pierce through Celestial armor.

I am guessing that Remender won't be bringing another Celestial directly on-panel as he did in Uncanny#7. Probably due to the fan-criticism of the way he wrote that particular scene.

Another inconsistency to highlight: Sentry is able to disorient Thor by flying him at ftl speeds, even though in the Gorr arc which was running concurrently at that time, Thor was able to easily cross lightyears within moments without any discomfort at all.

Apart from these minor detail-based inconsistencies, his work on Uncanny has been quite an enjoyable read so far.

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