Originally posted by leonidas
i should know better than to look in on this thread. cm kills them, obviously, and he doesn't need lightning or superspeed to do so, though either one makes it easier. only someone with an agenda against dc would really argue so stringently against the arguments made already, and refuse to recognize their validity, and instead insist that cm's lightning can be controlled or redirected when namor has done NOTHING, EVER, in his entire HISTORY, to suggest he could influence an attack of that nature.the hell is happening in threads around here lately? i feel dumber just for reading some of the shite i've seen posted the last few days....
So you showed up to *****, whine and cry? How DUMB is that? Yeah, you should have left the thread alone because it's obvious YOU have an agenda.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But he does use it... a lot. And he never has a serious fight with Superman either. The times he does is when Superman is Eclipso'd, and he's still holding back. And those fights do anything but prove Billy would lose to Namor/BP.
Unless you really want me to post the last fight he had with Eclipso Superman and see how well that fits into your argument...Also, where exactly has Namor redirected blasts more than Billy has shown?
I'll repost this, but here's Freddy's lightning depowering 10 thousand Kryptonians. Namor has feats dealing with magic this powerful naturally.
He does? Then how would you explain how in his board losses, a large number of posters claim he loses because he is just a teenager? I am asking because I don't read DC. Seems contradictory.
As far as you this thread, this is the first time I have seen anyone say he uses the wisdom "a lot" and also the first time seeing people pump up the potency of the magical lighting. Ask far as your question about Namor, come on, you know that's not really a fair question. It's not like you can prove exactly how potent the lighting is. Who is to say the blast from the Presence that put down the Hulk of all characters isn't as powerful? Also, I recall Namor redirecting a blast that took down a herald that I will look for. I am surprised you are unware of this. Also, is talking down Kryptonians via their weakness supposed to Besides, Namor doesn't have to "tank" the attack to redirect it, ala channel is back toward the opponent. I don't know of a single example of where Namor TRIED to redirect and attack anf FAILED.
be impressive? Finally, hasn't Superman just taking the lighting in the past? I just am unaware of the lighting being portrayed so highly. If it's all that, they wouldn't it be an autowin against Superman? There's the Superfactor again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just laughing at your tantrums. Sometimes a DC character wins too, accept it and move on. Why would Cap use shazam lightning anyway?
Oh, okay. How thoughtful of you to post a smilie and nothing else. You see my c-o-n-v-e-r-s-a-t-i-o-n with Swift? I was willing to do that because he isn't being a pretentious dickweed.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He does? Then how would you explain how in his board losses, a large number of posters claim he loses because he is just a teenager? I am asking because I don't read DC. Seems contradictory.
This might be your problem here. Not reading DC, I mean.
Anyways, who are these posters?
As far as you this thread, this is the first time I have seen anyone say he uses the wisdom "a lot" and also the first time seeing people pump up the potency of the magical lighting.
I brought the wisdom up, because you brought up the argument that 'Namor has done it before, and it is part of his powerset'. It's definitely part of Marvel's powerset (the 'S' in Shazam, after all), and he has definitely used it before. So using your own argument, I showed that he would also use this ability here. Whether he's done it 10, 100, 1000 times, doesn't matter - 'because that's what he is stated and shown to do' (your words).
Ask far as your question about Namor, come on, you know that's not really a fair question. It's not like you can prove exactly how potent the lighting is. Who is to say the blast from the Presence that put down the Hulk of all characters isn't as powerful? Also, I recall Namor redirecting a blast that took down a herald that I will look for. I am surprised you are unware of this.
be impressive? Finally, hasn't Superman just taking the lighting in the past? I just am unaware of the lighting being portrayed so highly. If it's all that, they wouldn't it be an autowin against Superman? There's the Superfactor again. [/B]
Only Billy can take the lightning. Anyone else, tears them up inside:
As I was looking around, I also was reminded that the lightning is capable of transmuting people into stone. It's not mere electricity.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3355541-jlablack2.jpg
In any case, ABC logic here (bear with me a sec).
Captain Marvel's lightning is from Zeus (the power of Zeus!). It is not mere lightning, it is magical and comes from Zeus.
Has Namor ever gone up against Zeus in Marvel before? Why, yes:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/x-issue/Battles/5031954f8.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105334/2412242-avengers285_10.jpg
Note Namor lying on the floor after being hit by a blast from Zeus.
Doesn't look too good for Namor's energy abilities..
Originally posted by Blue Area VetDS answered this nicely
He does? Then how would you explain how in his board losses, a large number of posters claim he loses because he is just a teenager? I am asking because I don't read DC. Seems contradictory.As far as you this thread, this is the first time I have seen anyone say he uses the wisdom "a lot" and also the first time seeing people pump up the potency of the magical lighting. Ask far as your question about Namor, come on, you know that's not really a fair question. It's not like you can prove exactly how potent the lighting is. Who is to say the blast from the Presence that put down the Hulk of all characters isn't as powerful? Also, I recall Namor redirecting a blast that took down a herald that I will look for. I am surprised you are unware of this. Also, is talking down Kryptonians via their weakness supposed to Besides, Namor doesn't have to "tank" the attack to redirect it, ala channel is back toward the opponent. I don't know of a single example of where Namor TRIED to redirect and attack anf FAILED.
be impressive? Finally, hasn't Superman just taking the lighting in the past? I just am unaware of the lighting being portrayed so highly. If it's all that, they wouldn't it be an autowin against Superman? There's the Superfactor again.
However, I'll add that just because it hurt Superman, and didn't take him out, that doesn't mean Namor can say the same. In the case of Eclipso Superman it severely stunned him and momentarily had Eclipso lose his grip to a point where Superman was begging Billy to kill him.
But there's a couple things to note from that story.
Which is either the magic was only weakening Superman in the sense that it was weakening Eclipso's grip.
Or that Superman's magic resistances was crazy high seeing as he later took bolts from Shazam himself.
Or that Eclipso's drive was so high that he was able to fight through the magic.
Either way, he wasn't dealing with your average Superman, and he still left him pretty stunned. I'm pretty sure Namor wouldn't be taking attacks from Shazam himself very well at all.
If Billy chooses to use lightning. Which I don't think he needs.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This might be your problem here. Not reading DC, I mean.Anyways, who are these posters?
any pretense at "conversation" should have ended with this revelation. if you don't read the material, sit back and listen to people who DO. don't insult and disregard arguments when you have no idea what you're even talking about. your patience, ds, is commendable.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
DS answered this nicelyHowever, I'll add that just because it hurt Superman, and didn't take him out, that doesn't mean Namor can say the same. In the case of Eclipso Superman it severely stunned him and momentarily had Eclipso lose his grip to a point where Superman was begging Billy to kill him.
But there's a couple things to note from that story.
Which is either the magic was only weakening Superman in the sense that it was weakening Eclipso's grip.
Or that Superman's magic resistances was crazy high seeing as he later took bolts from Shazam himself.
Or that Eclipso's drive was so high that he was able to fight through the magic.Either way, he wasn't dealing with your average Superman, and he still left him pretty stunned. I'm pretty sure Namor wouldn't be taking attacks from Shazam himself very well at all.
If Billy chooses to use lightning. Which I don't think he needs.
This comparison to Superman is nonsensical. Superman has no choice but to take the hot because deflecting energy attacks is not part of his base power set. You tell me why Namor would not be able to redict it based on comics.
