Smaug vs. Balrog

Originally posted by quanchi112
An old wizard beat him in a few minutes with tk attacks.

Except he didn't. Smaug did. We don't talk about what ifs we talk about facts. Debate like a man.

A special weapon designed to pierce him with the speed Balrog doesn't have to inflict the damage.

I just went over the feats. You said Balrog could have which means he doesn't have the feats Smaug has. I could care less who is more likeable you woman. Smaug has greater feats, is more durable, faster, and is smarter.

More red herrings.

No shit, it was a snide remark on your ridiculousness. Blarog's feat > Smaug's thus far. But it's hilarious that you can't comprehend how a being composed in part of fire couldn't start a fire

The black arrow is for all intents and purposes just a well crafted metal bolt. This is what damages Smaug.

What do you base your "Balrog can't harm Smaug" on?

Your feats are "Smaug burned down a town!". An army of Orcs could do that with enough torches. You care, you're Cumberbatch man-crushing again, it's clear to all.

Greater feats you can't name.

How is Smaug more durable? The Balrog survived a multi kilometer fall.

What do you base your "Smaug is smarter" on? Just because he talked? He was tricked by the dwarves. His intelligence is also offset by his arrogance.

That's three questions you keep dodging, care to answer them now?

Originally posted by Robtard
More red herrings.

No shit, it was a snide remark on your rediculouslness. Blarog's feat > Smaug's thus far. But it's hilarious that you can't comprehend how a being composed in part of fire couldn't start a fire 😂

The black arrow is for all intents and purposes just a well crafted metal bolt. This is what damages Smaug.

What do you base your "Balrog can't harm Smaug" on?

Your feats are "Smaug burned down a town!". An army of Orcs could do that with enough torches. You care, you're Cumberbatch man-crushing again, it's clear to all.

Greater feats you can't name.

How is Smaug more durable? The Balrog survived a multi kilometer fall.

What do you base your "Smaug is smarter" on? Just because he talked? 😂 His intelligence is also offset by his arrogance.

Balrog doesn't have any feats other than being beaten by a weak Gandalf the Grey who Saruman beat in moments. Balrog has no impressive feats. Smaug has far more impressive feats.

It is a special weapon crafted for the purpose of destroying him fired with a lot of speed and force behind it. Balrog has neither. His fire weapons won't work on Smaug.

I've seen Legolas himself take down many orcs without even pushing himself. Comparing Smaug to orcs is just lol worthy. What's funny is Gandalf runs from orcs but stood his ground against Balrog. Irony.

Smaug destroyed structures in the dwarves stronghold and tanked boiling hot gold quite easily. Acting like his armor like skin couldn't survive the fall when Gandalf was is quite idiotic even for you.

The fact Smaug successfully took the stronghold and knew which dwarves were behind it. The Balrog just shows up and attacks displaying no intelligence at all. I guess a dog who fights a human has as much as intelligence as a human. You are the worst.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Weak tk attacks can hurt Gandalf and you can continue to ignore his hilarious defeat at the hands of Saruman.

Balrog doesn't have any feats other than being beaten by a weak Gandalf the Grey who Saruman beat in moments. Balrog has no impressive feats. Smaug has far more impressive feats.

It is a special weapon crafted for the purpose of destroying him fired with a lot of speed and force behind it. Balrog has neither. His fire weapons won't work on Smaug.

I've seen Legolas himself take down many orcs without even pushing himself. Comparing Smaug to orcs is just lol worthy. What's funny is Gandalf runs from orcs but stood his ground against Balrog. Irony.

Smaug destroyed structures in the dwarves stronghold and tanked boiling hot gold quite easily. Acting like his armor like skin couldn't survive the fall when Gandalf was is quite idiotic even for you.

The fact Smaug successfully took the stronghold and knew which dwarves were behind it. The Balrog just shows up and attacks displaying no intelligence at all. I guess a dog who fights a human has as much as intelligence as a human. You are the worst.
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More red herrings.

The Balrog was defeated by a magical sword magically charged with lightning. Your insistence that Gandalf is "weak" just makes you look like an idiot.

It's a well crafted ballista bolt; so stop trying to make it more than what was said/shown. The Balrog's weapons aren't just fire/heat, they're physical and have force behind them. Watch LoTR already. You've done this same clown-show before.

Idiotic non sequitor ranting, so I'll just ignore that.

That liquid gold hurt him, hence his yelling. Did you not pay attention? So now you're giving Smaug feats he's not shown and he would surely survive a massive dead fall. Sorry, that's not how we debate.

"Displaying no intelligence at all". 😂 You're such a buffoon. It attacking and defending what is now its home is some form of intelligence. You trying to pretend the Balrog is like a plant is hilarious and shows you have nothing.

So what do we have, Balrog's far more durable in surviving a massive free fall, it's not damaged by normal weapons like Smaug is.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Displaying no intelligence at all". 😂 You're such a buffoon. It attacking and defending what is now its home is some form of intelligence. You trying to pretend the Balrog is like a plant is hilarious and shows you have nothing.

That has always confused me a bit in the movie, is it the Balrog that kills the dwarfs in the mines of moria or is it the orcs? As I recall it's hinted to being the Balrog?

Originally posted by Utrigita
That has always confused me a bit in the movie, is it the Balrog that kills the dwarfs in the mines of moria or is it the orcs? As I recall it's hinted to being the Balrog?

The Balrog it seems.

Gandalf says something like 'in their greed, the dwarves tunneled too deep and awakened the Balrog'. The goblins/orcs moved in after the dwarves were crushed or after they were severely weakened by the Balrog.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Balrog it seems.

Gandalf says that in their greed, the dwarves tunneled too deep and awakened the Balrog. The goblins/orcs moved in after the Dwarves were crushed or after they were severely weakened by the Balrog.

Cool, it's been some time since I last watched could just recall something along the lines of "You know that they have awakened in the darkness of hazadome Shadow and Flame."

Originally posted by Utrigita
Cool, it's been some time since I last watched could just recall something along the lines of "You know that they have awakened in the darkness of hazadome Shadow and Flame."

My error. It was Saruman saying it to Gandalf:

"Moria... You fear to go into those mines. The dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dum... shadow and flame." -Saruman

The Balrog also being called "Durin's Bane" is self evident that the Balrog kicked the dwarves of Moria's ass after they awakened it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Weak tk attacks can hurt Gandalf and you can continue to ignore his hilarious defeat at the hands of Saruman.

Balrog doesn't have any feats other than being beaten by a weak Gandalf the Grey who Saruman beat in moments. Balrog has no impressive feats. Smaug has far more impressive feats.

It is a special weapon crafted for the purpose of destroying him fired with a lot of speed and force behind it. Balrog has neither. His fire weapons won't work on Smaug.

I've seen Legolas himself take down many orcs without even pushing himself. Comparing Smaug to orcs is just lol worthy. What's funny is Gandalf runs from orcs but stood his ground against Balrog. Irony.

Smaug destroyed structures in the dwarves stronghold and tanked boiling hot gold quite easily. Acting like his armor like skin couldn't survive the fall when Gandalf was is quite idiotic even for you.

The fact Smaug successfully took the stronghold and knew which dwarves were behind it. The Balrog just shows up and attacks displaying no intelligence at all. I guess a dog who fights a human has as much as intelligence as a human. You are the worst.
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Gandalf is not weak. He is one of the most powerful wizards inn middle earth. Also, losing to sauruman is no embarrassment considering his power, not to mention gandalf has defeated sauruman in various occasions.

Originally posted by Robtard
Gandalf said Durin's Bane was beyond any of the Fellowship crew, which are some of the best fighters...elves and dwarven kind have to offer.

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Originally posted by Estacado
Cant see Gandalf phuckin up Smaug.

Balrog is definetly gazillion times more badass.

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Originally posted by Oneness
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Aragorn's no chump.

Its all about matchups

Gandalf may have been less dominant against other wizards, but had the advantage versus balrog.
Same way, balrog didn't do so good against another wizard, but has the advantage against smaug.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Gandalf is not weak. He is one of the most powerful wizards inn middle earth. Also, losing to sauruman is no embarrassment considering his power, not to mention gandalf has defeated sauruman in various occasions.

Quanchi can't debate well, so he resorts to clownish shit slinging tactics to the character(s) he hates/wants to see lose.

Let's start by examining the accounts of Balrogs and dragons in battles.

Balrogs:
[list][*]Gandalf fought a Balrog in the Fellowship of the Ring, both died.
[*]Glorfindel fought a Balrog in Fall of Gondolin, both died.
[*]Echtelion fought Gothmog in Battle of Gondolin, both died.
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Dragons:
[list][*]Fram fought and slew Scatha according to The Return of the King.
[*]Turin fought and slew Glaurung in The War of the Jewels.
[*]Eärendil fought and slew Ancalagon in The Silmarillion.
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Spoiler:
Bard fought and slew

Now granted, the dragon slayers weren't schmucks, but reading the books it definitely felt that the Balrogs had some leverage when compared to dragons.

Smaug's scales are virtually impenetrable, he is far larger, and he has single-handily destroyed entire armies. Smaug takes this.

Originally posted by Utrigita
That has always confused me a bit in the movie, is it the Balrog that kills the dwarfs in the mines of moria or is it the orcs? As I recall it's hinted to being the Balrog?

The Balrog. He kills there king and prince causing the dwarves to flee.

Still, unlike Smaug, he never fights their assembled armies.

Smaug's "impenetrable scales" have zero feats within the movie, sans being immune to conventional arrows and the like. They were still knocked off by some plot-device "black arrow".

I don't see how he takes this. His primary weapon is completely useless against the Balrog.

EDIT- And this hyping of Smaug needs to calm its ****. He was a stooge in Desolation. There should have been benny hill music playing in the background while he was chasing the dwarves. Mother****er's standing on your mouth and you can't get him? Shit was like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

Such a disservice to a badass character.

Smaug seems to be more formidable on paper, but I don't see how he can really put down Balrog here. Unless he just decides to flap his wings really hard and blow the flames of Rog away(which in itself is an unfeasible scenario), Balrog wins imo.

Actually, Smaug wears mithril mail to cover his belly where the scales are weaker. The reason Smaug died was because there was a small crack in that mail for the arrow to pass through.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Smaug's "impenetrable scales" have zero feats within the movie, sans being immune to conventional arrows and the like. They were still knocked off by some plot-device "black arrow".

I don't see how he takes this. His primary weapon is completely useless against the Balrog.

They were knocked off by a ballista. That's quite a large amount of force behind that 'arrow'.

Perhaps, the Balrog could knock off a couple of Smaug's scales. But even then, he needs to stab at the exact same place. Smaug meanwhile, can smack the Balrog silly with his tail and a single chomp should end the fight.

Originally posted by Robtard
More red herrings.

The Balrog was defeated by a magical sword magically charged with lightning. Your insistence that Gandalf is "weak" just makes you look like an idiot.

It's a well crafted ballista bolt; so stop trying to make it more than what was said/shown. The Balrog's weapons aren't just fire/heat, they're physical and have force behind them. Watch LoTR already. You've done this same clown-show before.

Idiotic non sequitor ranting, so I'll just ignore that.

That liquid gold hurt him, hence his yelling. Did you not pay attention? So now you're giving Smaug feats he's not shown and he would surely survive a massive dead fall. Sorry, that's not how we debate.

"Displaying no intelligence at all". 😂 You're such a buffoon. It attacking and defending what is now its home is some form of intelligence. You trying to pretend the Balrog is like a plant is hilarious and shows you have nothing.

So what do we have, Balrog's far more durable in surviving a massive free fall, it's not damaged by normal weapons like Smaug is.

The Balrog was fought to a standstill prior till the lightning amped strike. One old wizard fought him hand to hand and defeated him. The same old wizard who flees from orcs and was beaten by Saruman. Facts.

Yes, the force behind them was less than that of Saruman's tk attacks which left minor cuts and bruises since this defeated Gandalf. Gandalf fought him head on. Try to play it up despite the lack of feats and ignoring Gandalf's embarrassing moments.

The movie made it clear how powerful these weapons which pierce the dragon are and how they were vital to defeating him. I'm willing to bet this will take him down.

An animal displays the same intelligence to protecting its territory so my analogy is right on. Smaug displayed real intelligence yet Balrog did not. Yet you have the audacity to say how is Smaug smarter. You're an absolute buffoon.

The dragon flew into buildings and towers without any real pain or significant damage. Yet you think a fall which didn't kill Gandalf can kill Smaug. You're the absolute worst debater. His skin is like armor and we've seen him fly through giant structures easily like its an afterthought.

The gold covered his entire body but did no significant damage. His skin is armor.

Smaug was not damaged by normal weapons. The movie made it clear but what weapons did the Balrog shrug off. You are making feats up yet again. Gandalf took the thing down hand to hand without any aid.

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Originally posted by Astner
Actually, Smaug wears mithril mail to cover his belly where the scales are weaker. The reason Smaug died was because there was a small crack in that mail for the arrow to pass through.

But regardless, this is a movies only match. A metal bolt has thus far broken his scales and a well placed metal bolt will eventually kill him.