Ghost Rider vs Odin

Originally posted by Jmanghan
It still happened. Batman defeated Hulk in a DC/Marvel Crossover, its obviously
non-canon, but it still happened.

Originally posted by Epicurus
It being non-canon means that it isn't applicable here, per forum rules. Point to some instances where 616-Galactus was defeated by the Ghost Rider, and then we'll talk.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So unless it happened within the main story, it means it didnt happen? :/

Technically, yes. See: Wikipedia entry for "canon"

Main storyline comics are considered canon. Elseworlds, What-Ifs, and other alternate universe comics are not canon, as well as any tv, movie, or other depictions. Basically, the F4 cartoon is as canon to the comic book Ghost Rider/Galactus as a fanfic.

Originally posted by Cogito
Technically, yes. See: Wikipedia entry for "canon"

Main storyline comics are considered canon. Elseworlds, What-Ifs, and other alternate universe comics are not canon, as well as any tv, movie, or other depictions. Basically, the F4 cartoon is as canon to the comic book Ghost Rider/Galactus as a fanfic.

Pretty sure video game cut scenes are canon, as are the movies as they all take place in a designated marvel universe (dont have number on hand).

Also what if's, and alternate universes are also canon to that version of the character as they are occuring within the marvel omniverse.

So I don't know why you think only main storylines are canon, which is incorrect. The OP stated this is the Ghost Rider that defeated galactus, thus we are using that Ghost Rider's feats and anything in that Ghost Rider's mythos would be canon for this fight.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Pretty sure video game cut scenes are canon, as are the movies as they all take place in a designated marvel universe (dont have number on hand).

Also what if's, and alternate universes are also canon to that version of the character as they are occuring within the marvel omniverse.

So I don't know why you think only main storylines are canon, which is incorrect. The OP stated this is the Ghost Rider that defeated galactus, thus we are using that Ghost Rider's feats and anything in that Ghost Rider's mythos would be canon for this fight.

Yes, all of those examples are canon to that particular version of the character. They are not canon to the mainstream 616 Marvel Universe/DC Earth 1/2/3 characters that we usually go by.

So cartoon Ghost Rider's feat is canon to cartoon Ghost Rider, but not 616 Ghost Rider.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
By that logic, Superhero cameos in other Animated shows and comic books are apparently never canon. Superman never meets Batman by that logic. Anything Superman does in any of Batman's comic books don't count as feats by that logic.

Appearances in other comic books are canon. If Superman appeared in a Batman comic, as long as it's within the comic DCU, then it's canon. Their appearances together in Justice League books, Superman/Batman books, etc are all canon. Superman and Batman in, say, the Justice League Unlimited cartoon, are not canon to the comic DC characters that we use here.

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All that said, cartoon Ghost Rider gets shitstomped by comic Odin (assuming comic, not stated otherwise) based on a long list of vastly superior feats, etc.

cartoon ghost rider's penance stare would defeat Odin imo

Originally posted by bbrem123
just curious and would like to see this

It's mostly shown when Zadkiel usurped Yahweh's power, though ill show you some other things as well, after that.

When Zadkiel conquers heaven, which leads to Asgard, hell, etc.. feeling the shock, from (GR v6 #32)

http://i.imgur.com/NOiCa9F.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p7vUJ7c.jpg

Zadkiel is close to wielding the ultimate power in all creation (but he never reached to full power) -- a recap at the beginning of an issue:

http://i.imgur.com/EIOcpXc.jpg?1

Zadkiel as "God", the implication is pretty clear that he's a supreme being (Heaven's on Fire #5)

http://i.imgur.com/SNF2lNP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L95nmvG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nrXeVgr.jpg

Zadkiel never reached full power, which is why he got defeated in the end.

And well, there are a bunch of statements when God is called "all powerful", example:

http://i.imgur.com/FpVCjUp.jpg?1

.......it was pretty clear that Zadkiel was the supreme being, imo, but he never reached his full potential, unfortunately.

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more over, back in the 70s, in a son of satan comic (which is very important to know, because that tells us it's associated with Yahweh/God), specifically in Marvel Spotlight v1 #17, we see a matrix upon which all the universes are structured, which was created by God:

http://i.imgur.com/w3AROml.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DGIV9gI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RPNJExC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vx2O9vT.jpg

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Originally posted by Jmanghan
The EXPERIENCED Ghost Rider, not the amateur one.

Odin is at full power.

Who takes this?

gunjir wrecks house

Originally posted by operator616

And well, there are a bunch of statements when God is called "all powerful", example:

http://i.imgur.com/FpVCjUp.jpg?1

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^ he used the power of the GRs to conquer heaven (let me know if you want bio confirmations as well). When he achieved that, this automatically granted him the power of God. It's like he said in a scan which i already showed: "the longer i hold the throne the more powerful i become."

Odin Force Wrecks

Originally posted by Cogito
Yes, all of those examples are canon to that particular version of the character. They are not canon to the mainstream 616 Marvel Universe/DC Earth 1/2/3 characters that we usually go by.

So cartoon Ghost Rider's feat is canon to cartoon Ghost Rider, but not 616 Ghost Rider.

It's not logic, it's a definition.

Appearances in other comic books are canon. If Superman appeared in a Batman comic, as long as it's within the comic DCU, then it's canon. Their appearances together in Justice League books, Superman/Batman books, etc are all canon. Superman and Batman in, say, the Justice League Unlimited cartoon, are not canon to the comic DC characters that we use here.

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All that said, cartoon Ghost Rider gets shitstomped by comic Odin (assuming comic, not stated otherwise) based on a long list of vastly superior feats, etc.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Just because it didn't happen in a comic book, doesn't mean it isn't
canon, if Batman can show up in a Superman Comic, or Superman can show up in a Batman Series, then Ghost Rider and Galactus can show up in a F4 Animated Series.

Ghost Rider and Galactus can show up in the F4 animated series, but those appearances aren't canon to their 616 comic counterparts.

That's just...the definition of canon. I'll argue about feat comparison all you want, but I'm not going to argue dictionary definitions.

wat

Cogito hit it perfectly on the head. Not sure what the confusion is over...?

Originally posted by Cogito
Ghost Rider and Galactus can show up in the F4 animated series, but those appearances aren't canon to their 616 comic counterparts.

That's just...the definition of canon. I'll argue about feat comparison all you want, but I'm not going to argue dictionary definitions.

Alright, I'll accept that, but it doesn't mean Ghost Rider couldn't do what he did to Galactus in his own comic/series.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Alright, I'll accept that, but it doesn't mean Ghost Rider couldn't do what he did to Galactus in his own comic/series.

Odin in a stomp!

That Ghost Rider world is full of poetic over dramatizations in the hype department.
Yahweh whatever, falls below Skyfather imo ... perhaps a Skyfather, meh.

Anyway, Ms "Death" ... laughs off Ghost Rider's "Hell Fire" ...
... then let's em know:

She's "Beyond the control of Heaven or Hell," ... and,
she "can only destroy, and never be destroyed."

Originally posted by Epicurus
It absolutely does though, since comic book Galactus doesn't even have a soul to begin with for the Rider to fry with his stare.

Even if he did he's not evil, he's a force of necessity in the universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Odin in a stomp!

That Ghost Rider world is full of poetic over dramatizations in the hype department.
Yahweh whatever, falls below Skyfather imo ... perhaps a Skyfather, meh.

Anyway, Ms "Death" ... laughs off Ghost Rider's "Hell Fire" ...
... then let's em know:

She's "Beyond the control of Heaven or Hell," ... and,
she "can only destroy, and never be destroyed."

Apart from the fact that your scan is from a 1979 GR comic, while Yahweh became more significant in 2006/2007, you know.....when GR became the wrath of God; your scan doesn't prove anything.

But yes, let's rely on statements. Here's an Avengers issue, from the same time-period where your scans come from saying this (i cropped the panel since they're on separate pages):

http://i.imgur.com/C7JKsbu.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/aVGPyh4.jpg?1

So according to this, the monotheistic supreme deity of the Christian worship (Yahweh), is far above Odin.......no?

In any case, we have seen Yahweh depicted on panel, in howard the duck v2.......in a bar:

http://i.imgur.com/HekQHr8.jpg

Anyway, the next issue confirms that he's not the supreme being:

http://i.imgur.com/s5kFp6E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/huRBus4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wpxrLZV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k5Qi9B3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4M0lfrA.jpg

Or a more accurate depiction of Yahweh: (in terms of power-levels) was in, as you know, the What if? issue, where it establishes him as skyfather-level

That's quite different from what GR comics show, it's not even debatable, imo.

Also, GR shows us that Yahweh is also Allah, along with every other "God" people worship. Meaning they end up worshiping the same God, in the end.