Lotr (movie universe) vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lol how is it hyperbole? Yes, but it didn't shun away the darkness like the Sols. And again, sacred light.

"Its a balance because I said so" is not an argument, its fanwank. Yes, Link turned into the Sacred Beast (Spirit confirmed this) and was protected by the TF, as were Zelda and Dorf. Because more is needed than just covering the general area?

If ya bored you can say how Harry can flick a lighter and disperse a region of Twilight.

The game makes it clear they live in a world of balance and that light is in the equation which makes this occur.

They needed the light to repel the spell. It worked.

Lumos Maximo.

Yes, but will he maintain it throughout the battle? It will render him as nothing more than a flashlight.

No it makes it clear Twilight came before the Spirits, and also that they do in fact work independently. Thats not some balance.

The flashlight spell? Point?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Faron does protect it by providing it with light to keep it balanced.

Faron says nothing about balance, that's just something you made up.

Yes, it did and only once you use light does it drive the spell away. That is exactly how it works.

Yes, drives it away. Like it has always done, because it is protection and can banish Twilight, because Twilight is a separate thing. This proven by the game.

People rely on magical light. That is why.

No, they don't. It is explicitly shown in Twilight Princess that Hyrule existed before the Light Spirits did, it is stated that the Light Spirits protect regions, and it is shown that Twilight is an additive force that does not take away light.

How do you think the Fused Shadows can work while there is still light? That they can be used without taking light away? How do you think Link can use the Twilight Shard to turn into a wolf without taking the light away?

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/evilpower_zps08f19cde.png

Fact) Twilight can be used without taking away light, and you are wrong.

No, the light force keeps them balanced by providing them with light.

Incorrect, Hyrule and the Twilight Realm existed before the Light Spirits were created. In your quote, Zelda was talking about the Master Sword.

Shadow bests have inferior beasts and can be killed physically. Can the ghost army ? You're so biased you aren't even a real debater.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/shadowbeastconversion_zps819ff87a.png

Shadow Beasts tank boulder busting bombs and convert kills into more Shadow Beasts. The Ghost army can't hurt them or stop them in any way.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yes, but will he maintain it throughout the battle? It will render him as nothing more than a flashlight.

No it makes it clear Twilight came before the Spirits, and also that they do in fact work independently. Thats not some balance.

The flashlight spell? Point?

Twilight came before but this spell was never shown until this game. New spells can come and go.

Light is all that is needed to drive it away.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Faron says nothing about balance, that's just something you made up.

Yes, drives it away. Like it has always done, because it is protection and can banish Twilight, because Twilight is a separate thing. This proven by the game.

No, they don't. It is explicitly shown in Twilight Princess that Hyrule existed before the Light Spirits did, it is stated that the Light Spirits protect regions, and it is shown that Twilight is an additive force that does not take away light.

How do you think the Fused Shadows can work while there is still light? That they can be used without taking light away? How do you think Link can use the Twilight Shard to turn into a wolf without taking the light away?

Fact) Twilight can be used without taking away light, and you are wrong.

Incorrect, Hyrule and the Twilight Realm existed before the Light Spirits were created. In your quote, Zelda was talking about the Master Sword.

r busting bombs and convert kills into more Shadow Beasts. The Ghost army can't hurt them or stop them in any way.

Twilight can be used in massive fashion once the light is stolen.

That is how this specific spell works. It explains it in the game. Undeniable.

That specific twilight shard takes his light away which can be broken by the master sword.

Twilight didn't turn the men into hopeless ghosts until after the light was stolen from the light spirits.

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Untrue. Ghost army solos them and quite easily due to their speed and army destroying feat on screen. Destroyed a much more organized, deadlier force than what occupied Hyrule castle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The quote is in the game nonetheless. It is a world of balance. Light to drove the dark away, etc. Once the light is stolen they can turn the citizens into scared ghosts.

And the act of stealing the light does not transform them, I'm glad we've established this. Actually, your quote only applies to the Master Sword, it has nothing to do with Twilight.

Twilight can be used in massive fashion once the light is stolen.

Games proves otherwise.

That is how this specific spell works. It explains it in the game. Undeniable.

What you're saying is directly proven wrong in game.

That specific twilight shard takes his light away which can be broken by the master sword.

Prove it takes his light away, please.

Twilight didn't turn the men into hopeless ghosts until after the light was stolen from the light spirits.

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None of the men were visible after that.

Untrue. Ghost army solos them and quite easily due to their speed and army destroying feat on screen. Destroyed a much more organized, deadlier force than what occupied Hyrule castle.

But they don' have boulder busting feats, which they need to beat Shadow Beasts. Sorry, but the ghsts get slaughtered again.

Originally posted by The Scenario
And the act of stealing the light does not transform them, I'm glad we've established this. Actually, your quote only applies to the Master Sword, it has nothing to do with Twilight.

Games proves otherwise.

What you're saying is directly proven wrong in game.

Prove it takes his light away, please.

None of the men were visible after that.

But they don' have boulder busting feats, which they need to beat Shadow Beasts. Sorry, but the ghsts get slaughtered again.

No, it doesn't.

I used videos to back me up.

Clip was already put up.

Prove it. We couldn't see the men. They also had no protection or powers.

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Shadow beasts can be hurt/killed show the ghost army being hurt.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Stealing the light and then casting the spell makes this possible.

As long as you accept that they are separate event, we're good. LotR has no defense from the spell.

No, it doesn't.

Zant did so with Lanayru present and din't steal the light. Want to try again?

I used videos to back me up.

The video doesn't support your side, though.

Clip was already put up.

Prove it. We couldn't see the men. They also had no protection or powers.

😂

That's what I said, we couldn't see the men. LotR has no protection, and none of the armies have powers. Maybe Gandalf can escape, but that's about it.

Shadow beasts can be hurt/killed show the ghost army being hurt.

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Shadow Beasts are only hurt by things stronger than bombs. Unless the ghost army has better feats, they can't stop the Shadow Beasts. Are they any better than normalmen?

Originally posted by The Scenario
As long as you accept that they are separate event, we're good. LotR has no defense from the spell.

Zant did so with Lanayru present and din't steal the light. Want to try again?

The video doesn't support your side, though.

That's what I said, we couldn't see the men. LotR has no protection, and none of the armies have powers. Maybe Gandalf can escape, but that's about it.

Shadow Beasts are only hurt by things stronger than bombs. Unless the ghost army has better feats, they can't stop the Shadow Beasts. Are they any better than normalmen?

He didn't turn him into a spirit. Entirely different.

Yes, it does.

Sauron, Saruman, Gandalf, Elves, Nazgul, Balrog, all have magical powers. It only worked on beings who relied on light after this was stolen.

Wolf teeth hurt them. Wolf teeth can't cause more damage than bombs. Ghosts have not been hurt whereas charm canine teeth can kill Shadow beasts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they do magic. Plenty of magic there. The spell never worked on anyone without powers. Need to steal light to use in massive fashion which is not possible either.

What magic protects them? The spell never worked on anyone with resistance, prove that LotR has that resistance. No, the game shows Twilight being called without the light eing stolen.

He didn't turn him into a spirit. Entirely different.

The games shows that the only reason he didn't become a spirit is because of the Triforce of Courage.

Yes, it does.

How?

Sauron, Saruman, Gandalf, Elves, Nazgul, Balrog, all have magical powers. It only worked on beings who relied on light after this was stolen.

But do they have resistance?

Wolf teeth hurt them. Wolf teeth can't cause more damage than bombs. Ghosts have not been hurt whereas charm canine teeth can kill Shadow beasts.

Magical wolf teeth that can tear out souls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC-Y97K_GRc

Wolf Link can kill ghosts, man.

Originally posted by The Scenario
What magic protects them? The spell never worked on anyone with resistance, prove that LotR has that resistance. No, the game shows Twilight being called without the light eing stolen.

The games shows that the only reason he didn't become a spirit is because of the Triforce of Courage.

How?

But do they have resistance?

Magical wolf teeth that can tear out souls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC-Y97K_GRc

Wolf Link can kill ghosts, man.

Yes, he had powers. The ones who didn't were turned but not one single person who had powers was turned.

Can't remember what this was in response to.

Why wouldn't they since they don't rely on light and have magical powers. Never worked on anyone with magic.

Just due to affecting them but that doesn't make them powerful just the tool fit for this task. The Ghost army was not hurt. At all.

Shadow beasts were routed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just need light to drive the spell away.

Twilight came before but this spell was never shown until this game. New spells can come and go.

Light is all that is needed to drive it away.

"and also that they do in fact work independently"

Originally posted by BloodRain
Twilight keeps returning unless the sacred light remains shining. That's why the Spirits are always radiating and the fog starts to surround Link unless he slashes it away. So yeah, Dalf would need to constantly hold his flashlight spell up, constantly.

"and also that they do in fact work independently"

No, light drives the spell away.

The spell never worked on anyone with powers.

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Every light used was a sacred light, not some random light spell. Now, once again, are you saying that Dalf is now nothing more than a flashlight for the remainder of the fight? I mean, ya must be saying this as you're fully aware that the instant the light isn't pushing back, Twilight keeps seeping back.

Okay, now go and prove a character you wish to back has a resistance to it and what you're trying to do here will work.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, it happened against normal people whose magical light was taken. Not impressive at all.

Prove that the light of indiidual people was taken, please. All the game says is that the Light Spirit's was.

Yes, he had powers. The ones who didn't were turned but not one single person who had powers was turned.

Yeah, no one with resistance. Please prove that LotR has such resistance.

Why wouldn't they since they don't rely on light and have magical powers. Never worked on anyone with magic.

You still need to prove they have a way to resist first.

Just due to affecting them but that doesn't make them powerful just the tool fit for this task. The Ghost army was not hurt. At all.

Shadow beasts were routed.

Are you claiming that the ghost army is invincible?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Every light used was a sacred light, not some random light spell. Now, once again, are you saying that Dalf is now nothing more than a flashlight for the remainder of the fight? I mean, ya must be saying this as you're fully aware that the instant the light isn't pushing back, Twilight keeps seeping back.

Okay, now go and prove a character you wish to back has a resistance to it and what you're trying to do here will work.

It only works on characters with no powers. It's like saying look at these random nobodies this spell worked on. Nothing impressive.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Prove that the light of indiidual people was taken, please. All the game says is that the Light Spirit's was.

Yeah, no one with resistance. Please prove that LotR has such resistance.

You still need to prove they have a way to resist first.

Are you claiming that the ghost army is invincible?

They have powers in Lotr. Many have magic such as Gandalf. All you need is light.

You need to prove it works.

I am saying that army crushes the shadow beasts.

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Ganon soloes, none of them can harm him and there's no counter in the LoTR movies to a Twilight field.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon soloes, none of them can harm him and there's no counter in the LoTR movies to a Twilight field.

No one disputes this. Victory.