Originally posted by Trackz
Black Panther took on the Fantastic Four in his first appearance.Black Panther, most recently, took down one of Thanos' minions that had super strength and unbreakable skin. Not to mention a super skrull with the skills of all of the worlds best fighters along with other powers.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Deathstroke took on Flash+GL+Zatanna+Hawkman+Green Arrow and was beating them. He has wrecked Teen Titans more times than I care to count. Slade was created to wreck metas.
Panther teleports. I can't even remember Slade taking on anyone that teleports. And that's just one of his abilities.
Originally posted by Vanguard
Panther teleports. I can't even remember Slade taking on anyone that teleports. And that's just one of his abilities.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Raven can't teleport? All the flashes are faster than panther can teleport and Slade has never got any problem tagging them. You act like Panther is nightcrawler who is going to teleport all over the arena. Its not how he fights.
Raven never used the teleport on Slade to my knowledge. And he's been able to tag the speeedsters with prep. He only does it rarely without prep.
Originally posted by abhilegendKyle does have better feats than all of them, and Deathstroke is not in Green Lanterns league. There's no ambiguity about it. We were given a list of the Skrulls abilities and he was defeated by T'Challa. You can't compare who they've beaten when they've both taken out people way out of their league. Hell, check what he did to Silver Surfer. They're both top tier fighters in their respective universes and have beaten others, they both have metahuman stats. T'Challa's gear is slightly better though and he's significantly smarter that Deathstroke.
Kyle has better feats than all of those characters put together. The super-skrull had Black Panther's skills among all the other characters. Its a highly ambiguous showing considering Echo killed a similar skrull.
Originally posted by Trackz
Kyle does have better feats than all of them, and Deathstroke is not in Green Lanterns league. There's no ambiguity about it. We were given a list of the Skrulls abilities and he was defeated by T'Challa. You can't compare who they've beaten when they've both taken out people way out of their league. Hell, check what he did to Silver Surfer. They're both top tier fighters in their respective universes and have beaten others, they both have metahuman stats. T'Challa's gear is slightly better though and he's significantly smarter that Deathstroke.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So did Echo. How is killing a character with your own abilities+some of the best fighters on earth not ambigous? Black Panther>Black Panther+Captain America+a shit ton of other MAs? What kind of logic is that?
terrible logic, which is why i said:
"you can't compare who they've beaten when they've both taken out people way out of their league."
there's nothing ambiguous about the feat, it's just ridiculously high, and echo duplicating it doesn't lessen it at all.
Originally posted by Trackz
terrible logic, which is why i said:"you can't compare who they've beaten when they've both taken out people way out of their league."
there's nothing ambiguous about the feat, it's just ridiculously high, and echo duplicating it doesn't lessen it at all.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So BP is comparable to a B list martial artist now? Batman beat prometheus who had the MA of over 36 best martial artist on earth and who actually beat Batman before and using his helmet, his apprentice defeated Shiva in 3 seconds. That's what you call a high showing.
c-list martial artists can have great feats every once in a while.
You bringing up more high-end feats does not make your point. They are both regarded as top-end martial artists in their respective universes and a "he beat him" feat battle is moot since they've both had ridiculous martial art feats.
it'd be more telling to compare physical stats and gear since those are usually held to more of a constant and we can accurately compare the two based off of those.
Originally posted by Trackz
c-list martial artists can have great feats every once in a while.You bringing up more high-end feats does not make your point. They are both regarded as top-end martial artists in their respective universes and a "he beat him" feat battle is moot since they've both had ridiculous martial art feats.
it'd be more telling to compare physical stats and gear since those are usually held to more of a constant and we can accurately compare the two based off of those.
No, Bruce is definitely better MA than Panther.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Batman's feat is better than BP's since he defeated a MA which wasn't replicated by say Nightwing. The super-skrulls were like hand ninjas, everyone was beating them.No, Bruce is definitely better MA than Panther.
the super skrulls were not hand ninjas. each of them had different powers. meaning certain super skrulls weren't as suited to handling certain heroes. that's a ridiculous claim to make.
T'Challa has beaten Captain America, Taskmaster, and a slew of other of marvel's best hand-to-hand fighters. Batman doesn't have any feats that could put him above T'Challa as T'Challa, like Batman, is written to be one of marvel's premier hand-to-hand fighters.
Making this about who beat who is silly, compare physical attributes over that because they've both had ludicrous feats. I'd assume you would never say Deathstroke could beat Green Lantern in the same way I'd never argue Black Panther could beat Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by Trackz
the super skrulls were not hand ninjas. each of them had different powers. meaning certain super skrulls weren't as suited to handling certain heroes. that's a ridiculous claim to make.T'Challa has beaten Captain America, Taskmaster, and a slew of other of marvel's best hand-to-hand fighters. Batman doesn't have any feats that could put him above T'Challa as T'Challa, like Batman, is written to be one of marvel's premier hand-to-hand fighters.
Making this about who beat who is silly, compare physical attributes over that because they've both had ludicrous feats. I'd assume you would never say Deathstroke could beat Green Lantern in the same way I'd never argue Black Panther could beat Silver Surfer.
Batman has beaten Shiva, Prometheus, stalemated two versions of Karate Kid, stalemated the abstract embodiment of fighting and martial arts in Jin Shi and so on. His resume is far better than Panther's resume.
Right, but Batman is a better MA than Panther. He's better MA than the premier fighter of marvel earth Captain America too, so no shame in that regard.
Originally posted by Trackz
the super skrulls were not hand ninjas. each of them had different powers. meaning certain super skrulls weren't as suited to handling certain heroes. that's a ridiculous claim to make.T'Challa has beaten Captain America, Taskmaster, and a slew of other of marvel's best hand-to-hand fighters. Batman doesn't have any feats that could put him above T'Challa as T'Challa, like Batman, is written to be one of marvel's premier hand-to-hand fighters.
Making this about who beat who is silly, compare physical attributes over that because they've both had ludicrous feats. I'd assume you would never say Deathstroke could beat Green Lantern in the same way I'd never argue Black Panther could beat Silver Surfer.
I agree
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course they were. Getting killed by Deadpool and losing to Echo makes them hand ninjas.Batman has beaten Shiva, Prometheus, stalemated two versions of Karate Kid, stalemated the abstract embodiment of fighting and martial arts in Jin Shi and so on. His resume is far better than Panther's resume.
Right, but Batman is a better MA than Panther. He's better MA than the premier fighter of marvel earth Captain America too, so no shame in that regard.
not all skrulls had the same abilities. the one that t'challa killed was different than the one that echo killed was different than the one deadpool killed. for clarification, the one t'challa killed had luke cage's durability and strength on top of the other fighters, do you remember the blend of powers the one echo or deadpool fought?
batman has also been beaten by karate kid, shiva (needed to use gas to take her out), and deathstroke.
you can't argue who's a better martial artist when they're both written as top tier martial artists. how can you say he's better than someone when they've both easily taken out the best martial artists in their world. saying he's beaten better martial artists shows a bias when there's no real way to compare the two. captain america is stated to have mastered every form of martial art, and yet batman is better than him because he's stalemated someone from his universe? t'challa has beaten plenty of top tier martial artists and there's really no argument that proves one is better than the other. Listing off names of who he's beaten is fruitless. They're both written as top tier martial artists, they're both written as geniuses, so trying to discern who is smarter or who is the better fighter in this thread is irrelevant because even if you believed you could prove it, it would not be to a significant margin.
they do, however, differ in their physical attributes and gear, which is what we should pay attention to. what defense do either batman or deathstroke have to an energy dagger? what weapons do they have that could pierce t'challas suit?
Originally posted by TrackzThey were supposed to be better than the originals yet got taken down by every damn hero they faced. Name a single hero who super skrulls beat in that story.
not all skrulls had the same abilities. the one that t'challa killed was different than the one that echo killed was different than the one deadpool killed. for clarification, the one t'challa killed had luke cage's durability and strength on top of the other fighters, do you remember the blend of powers the one echo or deadpool fought?
batman has also been beaten by karate kid, shiva (needed to use gas to take her out), and deathstroke.Not in pure MA, he hasn't. Deathstroke beat him because he is physically superior to bruce, not because he is more skilled.
you can't argue who's a better martial artist when they're both written as top tier martial artists. how can you say he's better than someone when they've both easily taken out the best martial artists in their world. saying he's beaten better martial artists shows a bias when there's no real way to compare the two. captain america is stated to have mastered every form of martial art, and yet batman is better than him because he's stalemated someone from his universe? t'challa has beaten plenty of top tier martial artists and there's really no argument that proves one is better than the other. Listing off names of who he's beaten is fruitless. They're both written as top tier martial artists, they're both written as geniuses, so trying to discern who is smarter or who is the better fighter in this thread is irrelevant because even if you believed you could prove it, it would not be to a significant margin.Of course we can. You are essentially arguing that Black Panther is as skilled as say Karate Kid or Richard Dragon, because they both are top tier martial artist. ****ing Kobra has been stated to have learned every form of combat, he is as skilled as Cap now?
they do, however, differ in their physical attributes and gear, which is what we should pay attention to. what defense do either batman or deathstroke have to an energy dagger? what weapons do they have that could pierce t'challas suit?So he's as skilled as Bruce just because you say so? Great argument there bro. I don't have any interest in who beats who here though.