Originally posted by Sin I AM
Bruce and Clark have both admitted that Dick is far better than the two. He has the best attributes of both without the character flaws of Bruce or god complex of Kent. He's effectively lead more teams and his combat strategy is second to none. And I'm not talking about prep battles, I'm talking strictly combat strategy.
No you aren't. You are talking about team leading like its synonymous with combat strategy. It's not. This thread isn't asking who has the most charisma, who is socially more able to communicate effectively, or who cares most about the lives of the people they are fighting with.
It's strictly combat strategy. Kings willing to sacrifice the other pieces to ultimately win in the end. Bruce has more than just a tactical mind, he has psychological advantages which plays a big part as well as other mental professions that the others here are simply not as versed in as Batman. He is a mental jack of all trades and that is more effective in relation to the thread than "who is a better leader".
Grayson doesn't even come close. He's not as cold or calculated as Bruce. While it makes him more approachable to people working under him, it's doesn't boost his mental ability to tactically think greater than Batman.
Originally posted by abhilegendhow does captain america compare to t'challa in strategy?
Panther above Cap? Flat out wrong.
he's not nearly as smart and they're about even in martial arts. captain america's role is to inspire, not to strategize, even on the avengers. that's what ironman is for. t'challa isn't as universally inspirational as cap, but he has him beat in any strategic measure, from one-on-one combat, to team combat, to nation vs. nation. t'challa is more efficient on every level and it's why steve was kicked out of the illuminati.
Originally posted by Odekahn
No you aren't. You are talking about team leading like its synonymous with combat strategy. It's not. This thread isn't asking who has the most charisma, who is socially more able to communicate effectively, or who cares most about the lives of the people they are fighting with.It's strictly combat strategy. Kings willing to sacrifice the other pieces to ultimately win in the end. Bruce has more than just a tactical mind, he has psychological advantages which plays a big part as well as other mental professions that the others here are simply not as versed in as Batman. He is a mental jack of all trades and that is more effective in relation to the thread than "who is a better leader".
Grayson doesn't even come close. He's not as cold or calculated as Bruce. While it makes him more approachable to people working under him, it's doesn't boost his mental ability to tactically think greater than Batman.
That's where your wrong. Leader/strategist is the same thing. I don't see y u can't see that. Especially in a combat situation.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Leader/strategist is the same thing. I don't see y u can't see that.
No, it's not lol.
Have you ever led a group at anything before? Have you ever played a strategy game before? Two entirely different things that CAN work together, but are still VERY different. By your line of thinking, Gary Kasparov should lead the free world...
Originally posted by Odekahn
No, it's not lol.Have you ever led a group at anything before? Have you ever played a strategy game before? Two entirely different things that CAN work together, but are still VERY different. By your line of thinking, Gary Kasparov should lead the free world...
Best strategist during combat dood. And dick is better
Originally posted by Trackz
how does captain america compare to t'challa in strategy?he's not nearly as smart and they're about even in martial arts. captain america's role is to inspire, not to strategize, even on the avengers. that's what ironman is for. t'challa isn't as universally inspirational as cap, but he has him beat in any strategic measure, from one-on-one combat, to team combat, to nation vs. nation. t'challa is more efficient on every level and it's why steve was kicked out of the illuminati.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Best strategist during combat dood. And dick is better
Strategy during combat. All forms of it. Not teams and not 1v1, so stop looking at one factor and grasp the bigger picture. And again, being a good leader isn't the same as being a better tactician, so even in a team setting, who is a better "team captain" is minuscule in scope. Doodette.
Originally posted by abhilegendThis isn't a question of who's leading who but rather it's a question of who's a better strategist.
You've got to be kidding here bro. Have you read I dunno any Avengers comic from the last decade? Pick up Busiek's Avengers run where both Cap and Panther are teammates and see who's leading who.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
When did Wakanda best Atlantis? Tchalla beating Namor in cqb is pis and not what the thread is discussing and as far as Doom, BP lost that battle
In Infinity, Wakanda defeated Atlantis, leading Namor to send Thanos' army after Wakanda.
So i'm guessing you haven't read any of their fights if you're claiming PIS.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You've got to be kidding here bro. Have you read I dunno any Avengers comic from the last decade? Pick up Busiek's Avengers run where both Cap and Panther are teammates and see who's leading who.
Captain America leads the Avengers because he's the most respected and the heroes trust him. He's not as smart or cunning as most of the people on his team but he's given the leadership role because he's more experienced than most heroes and everyone respects him, he's also more than capable in his role however he's not the lead strategist.
Wakanda has never been defeated in combat, largely due to T'Challa's genius and cunning. Read their battle against the skrulls, against doom, or any Black Panther issue. In any level of combat T'Challa is superior to Cap in regards to strategy. Cap is the better leader due to the level of trust and respect heroes award him, but that's it. Like I said, there's a reason he's not a part of the illuminati. Cap doesn't rank with Cyclops, T'Challa, Doom, and the other better strategic minds.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Rogers' is the tactician and leader on the Avengers. Stark is the co-leader and gear head and may come up with an idea of how to use a specific piece of technology or something, but it's Steve who's handling the overall battle plan. That's how it's been for...well, decades, pretty much.
Name an example. In all of the latest events, Cap's role is basically to lead the frontlines and inspire his troops while he waits with the geniuses on the team to come up with the idea to save them. He's a great leader, but he's not the leading strategist. Give an example in combat or in battle where Cap's brilliant strategy saved the day.
Originally posted by TrackzBecause half of Infinity didn't have Cap leading the Galactic Council to victory over the Builders in multiple engagements... ?
Name an example. In all of the latest events, Cap's role is basically to lead the frontlines and inspire his troops while he waits with the geniuses on the team to come up with the idea to save them. He's a great leader, but he's not the leading strategist. Give an example in combat or in battle where Cap's brilliant strategy saved the day.
Comic Rick Grimes would own. He has no super powers, but I trust him almost as much as Cap.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
And as far as this thread goes. It should be expanded to All comic book characters not just those mentioned cause Optimus Prime, Leonardo and Rick Grimes would shit on Bruce Wayne not to mention a ass ton of others
Originally posted by ODGthat's not what i asked. cap is in a leading position and he was responsible for giving the people hope when there was none, but i'm talking about strategic planning on his part. cap is one of the best leaders in marvel, as i've said before, due to his ability to inspire and the level of respect he commands.
Because half of Infinity didn't have Cap leading the Galactic Council to victory over the Builders in multiple engagements... ?