Originally posted by Trackz
that's not what i asked. cap is in a leading position and he was responsible for giving the people hope when there was none, but i'm talking about strategic planning on his part. cap is one of the best leaders in marvel, as i've said before, due to his ability to inspire and the level of respect he commands.
It was his idea to use Thor against the Builders. His idea for the fleet battles. Gladiator, Annihilus et al gave him respect when the Spartoi were dismissive.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was his idea to use Thor against the Builders. His idea for the fleet battles. Gladiator, Annihilus et al gave him respect when the Spartoi were dismissive.
So your example of Captain America's strategic prowess is him sending in Thor to hit them?
The fleet battles were cunning, but Thor thought of that plan as well, and it's nothing on the level of Doom, T'Challa, Batman, or Cyclops.
Don't get me wrong, Cap is great, but the other guys are literally geniuses and have greater strategic victories. I'm by no means saying he's not great strategically, but look at how T'Challa handled the skrulls or doom, for more close combat scenarios look at how he handled silver surfer or Kasper Cole. That stuff exceeds steve's ability. Like i said before, there's a reason steve was kicked out of the illuminati.
Originally posted by Trackz
So your example of Captain America's strategic prowess is him sending in Thor to hit them?The fleet battles were cunning, but Thor thought of that plan as well, and it's nothing on the level of Doom, T'Challa, Batman, or Cyclops.
Don't get me wrong, Cap is great, but the other guys are literally geniuses and have greater strategic victories. I'm by no means saying he's not great strategically, but look at how T'Challa handled the skrulls or doom, for more close combat scenarios look at how he handled silver surfer or Kasper Cole. That stuff exceeds steve's ability. Like i said before, there's a reason steve was kicked out of the illuminati.
How did he handle doom? Iirc he crippled his vibranium just so he'd leave wakanda alone. That's not strategy its desperation
Originally posted by -Pr-
@ this thread: Strategy =/= tactics
Tactics are the overall pieces of any strategy.
tac·tics (tktks)
n.
1.
a. (used with a sing. verb) The military science that deals with securing objectives set by strategy, especially the technique of deploying and directing troops, ships, and aircraft in effective maneuvers against an enemy: Tactics is a required course at all military academies
Originally posted by Odekahn
Tactics are the overall pieces of any strategy.tac·tics (tktks)
n.
1.
a. (used with a sing. verb) The military science that deals with securing objectives set by strategy, especially the technique of deploying and directing troops, ships, and aircraft in effective maneuvers against an enemy: Tactics is a required course at all military academies
...And?
Originally posted by Trackz
that's not what i asked. cap is in a leading position and he was responsible for giving the people hope when there was none, but i'm talking about strategic planning on his part. cap is one of the best leaders in marvel, as i've said before, due to his ability to inspire and the level of respect he commands.
Originally posted by ODG
Because half of Infinity didn't have Cap leading the Galactic Council to victory over the Builders in multiple engagements... ?
Originally posted by Trackz
So your example of Captain America's strategic prowess is him sending in Thor to hit them?The fleet battles were cunning, but Thor thought of that plan as well, and it's nothing on the level of Doom, T'Challa, Batman, or Cyclops.
Don't get me wrong, Cap is great, but the other guys are literally geniuses and have greater strategic victories. I'm by no means saying he's not great strategically, but look at how T'Challa handled the skrulls or doom, for more close combat scenarios look at how he handled silver surfer or Kasper Cole. That stuff exceeds steve's ability. Like i said before, there's a reason steve was kicked out of the illuminati.
Why not send Hulk? Hyperion? Both with arguably greater durability and striking power. No, he sent a god (which played on the Builders ego) who possessed a boomerang weapon. He didn't just send a tank.
As for BP/ Doom, his entire army plus help from FF etc failed, his last gasp measure was the Panther God.....who agreed with Doom.
Destroying the Vibranium was desperation IMHO.
Steve was kicked out for having morals.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why not send Hulk? Hyperion? Both with arguably greater durability and striking power. No, he sent a god (which played on the Builders ego) who possessed a boomerang weapon. He didn't just send a tank.As for BP/ Doom, his entire army plus help from FF etc failed, his last gasp measure was the Panther God.....who agreed with Doom.
Destroying the Vibranium was desperation IMHO.
Steve was kicked out for having morals.
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Originally posted by Odekahn
Tactics are the overall pieces of any strategy.tac·tics (tktks)
n.
1.
a. (used with a sing. verb) The military science that deals with securing objectives set by strategy, especially the technique of deploying and directing troops, ships, and aircraft in effective maneuvers against an enemy: Tactics is a required course at all military academies
Lol nice to see someone can copy and paste around here
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why not send Hulk? Hyperion? Both with arguably greater durability and striking power. No, he sent a god (which played on the Builders ego) who possessed a boomerang weapon. He didn't just send a tank.As for BP/ Doom, his entire army plus help from FF etc failed, his last gasp measure was the Panther God.....who agreed with Doom.
Destroying the Vibranium was desperation IMHO.
Steve was kicked out for having morals.
What I said
And I luv how tracks is using bp armbar of norrin as if the feat holds any merit
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why not send Hulk? Hyperion? Both with arguably greater durability and striking power. No, he sent a god (which played on the Builders ego) who possessed a boomerang weapon. He didn't just send a tank.As for BP/ Doom, his entire army plus help from FF etc failed, his last gasp measure was the Panther God.....who agreed with Doom.
Destroying the Vibranium was desperation IMHO.
Steve was kicked out for having morals.
There's nothing wrong with Captain America as a tactician, but his feats don't stack up to the likes of Cyclops, T'Challa, Doom, Pete Wisdom, and others.
How can you give Captain America the benefit of using super humans for his plans and not give T'Challa that same?
Moreover, Doomwar was an example of two of Marvel's best strategists going at each other. It is a feat for both T'Challa and Doom in their adaptive ability. They managed to take out Dr. Doom entire network as well as render him powerless by destroying the Vibranium. This is, mind you, all adaptive planning in order to defeat Doom who had set his plan in motion months ago, while T'Challa was in a coma. Doom had the head start and was unable to defeat Wakanda. T'Challa didn't destroy all the vibranium either way, as they still recovered a large enough supply to sustain Wakanda's economy and the country was up and running again within months.
Captain America was kicked out because he was unwilling to consider every option his stubborn attitude mostly would have crippled the organization. They all have morals, they just realized that the event in question required necessary evil. They gave Captain America the respect he deserved and tried out his plan first which failed, it was T'Challa and Reed that built the device that ending up saving the earth multiple times.
Originally posted by ODGThis isn't a response. Yes Captain America is the leader of the Avengers, and has led them for years. His main strategy was to have Thor kill the enemy in order to inspire the people to fight. It worked, but that is not a strategic feat worth bringing up in this thread especially when he's being compared to Batman, Doom, Panther, and others.