Originally posted by Epicurus
Three sentences later, your own words betray you:
You act like you pointed out some sort of inconsistency, but you haven't. Franklin being able to see/know the future does not mean he actually lived out that future. How many times are you going to completely fail to produce any actual evidence that Franklin is billions of years old.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Them being inseparable siblings is about as relevant as Justin Bieber getting molested by Jenny Mccarthy here. Which is not relevant at all. Adult Frank is an immortal time hopper who's pretty much aware of everything that'll happen up until the end of the universe. Him casually talking to Galactus about what comes next billions of years from now, as if he's already witnessed it or experienced it, speaks for itself.
Being aware =/= being billions of years old. And that simple fact speaks for itself. For someone who wants to play up Franklin's supernatural abilities as being primarily responsible for so much of his intellect, you appear constitutionally incapable of assuming that those same supernatural abilities are primarily responsible or so much of his knowledge of the future. Your hypocrisy both astounds and abounds.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Did you not read Fantastic Four #611? Honest to god question. Because so far, all's you've been doing is posting random scans from Hickman-written issues I've already read(and discussed in great detail with other posters) in the past, none of which actually contribute to your position in this debate.
Trying to characterize them as "random" scans is both misleading and pointless. These scans pretty much prove outright that Valeria has admitted several times, that Franklin is smarter than her. They directly address and prove this issue. Whereas your simple insistence otherwise hasn't remedied the shocking incompetence you've approached me with in this thread. You have no evidence, no feats, nothing but butthurt. Over absolutely nothing. Valeria talks about her being super smart on two different occasions, and outright concedes she's got nothing to Franklin. Here's Valeria trying to show her supergenius again and... nope, wait. Franklin already knew that:
Seriously, when are you even going to give us a sniff of this overpowering intelligence or feats of genius that Valeria possesses over Franklin? Or are you just too embarrassed by how clear-cut this non-issue is when you actually read the comics and pay attention?
Originally posted by Epicurus
Because unless you can actually produce hard evidence that Val just decided to randomly pop away from whatever important work she was doing on the Bridge, in order to aid in Frank's ego-stroke of his younger self, this is quite a desperate amount of reaching almost on the level of some of the sh1t that h1 pulls off on a regular basis.
I don't have to prove anything other than the fact that Valeria appears out of a portal in Franklin's playtime universe, confirms what adult Franklin says to him herself, proceeds to have a conversation with them, is handed a sandwich to eat by Franklin, and spends a dino-cowboy-jello adventure with them. Somehow, a fake holographic projection appearing out of a portal, eating, adventuring, carrying an ongoing conversation, and adult Franklin lying through his teeth to his younger self somehow makes more sense to you. What exactly has struck you about adult Franklin throughout the entirety of Hickman's run as being a dishonest, ego-stroking, braggart who doesn't actually tell the truth of the matter? Please post some evidence of this- oh, wait. If past is prologue, you aren't going to show sh1t. Again.
The absurdity of your premise underlies the transparent oafishness that you've approached this complete tragedy of a discussion with.
Originally posted by Epicurus
On another note, this reminds of the time when you made a clown of yourself in the Ownage thread by oafishly dismissing Hickman's comments regarding FF#604 and proclaiming how adult Frank had died and got resurrected in that issue. The comedy that followed up was too much fun to watch.
And this utter non-sequitur confirms it. By all means, deflect onto writer interviews on a completely separate topic because the current one is too hot to handle for you now.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Lolwut? So you're telling me you don't even know about the historical portrayal of the Richards siblings being brawn and brain personified? That you're never actually read even a single issue of Fantastic Four? I have a hard time believing that, considering you're the same fellow who made the most comprehensive Doom Respect Thread to be found on the internet, but whatever.
That's the kids. Not the adults. As proven time and time again throughout the entirety of the Hickman run. At every turn you might have thought Nathaniel or Valeria were the minds behind the scheme, Hickman reminded you that it was always Franklin. Franklin and Valeria aren't a brawn/brains team -- where brains and brawn must be mutually dispositive of each other -- they're the inheritors of Reed' and Doom's legacies. And they both grow into their roles in full. If you missed that, you're shockingly dumb. Worse, if you do understand that and you're just trying to argue otherwise because you hate being proven wrong in so complete a manner, you're a colossal goon.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Adult Val is the same character as junior Val from Hickman's series. Just as adult Frank is the same as junior Frank. All their feats are interchangeable.
No, sh1t, Sherlock. Since when have I insinuated otherwise? Stop pretending to be a complete moron about simple English. You're not stupid enough to be able to sell it. Just butthurt enough to fake it.
And what would such an insinuation even change in the bottom-line? What the phuck has kid Valeria done that compares to adult Franklin tutoring universe-building mechanics, formulating the plan to save his father from certain death despite universal constants working against his fate, etc.? She built a light saber that one time? We know you are constitutionally incapable of actually discussing these amazing intelligence feats that Valeria possesses over Franklin, because they just don't exist. So what exactly am I arguing against anyway beyond your baseless insistence otherwise? Nothing, it seems.
