Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America 10/10. Wonder Woman can't win this. And no, listing competitive sparring matches she had with streets while possessing her powers does not in anyway prove that she can. 😬
Yea, the sparring matches where Black Canary's mental dialog specifically mentions WW isn't using her powers...
C'mon, if you can fight evenly with top streets when only using their speed and strength, the being-in-possession of speed and strength you don't use does not invalidate it. Especially not when those same streets *regularly* talk up how skilled you are.
JakeTheBank
Thor has skill in the art of war. So does Diana for that matter.Neither of them are martial arts masters who fight like ninjas or anything, though.
Well, aside from her Themysciran training, Diana has spent some time as a non-powered martial artist, and more recently as a non-powered secret agent.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean art of punching?
Fighting legions of demons/orges/trolls/giants while leading vastly less powerful and often greatly outnumbered forces to victory counts for something. There's also such instances such as fighting said hordes by one's self while in a far less powerful state than normally depicted and emerging unscathed as well.
To that end, I don't see how anyone can claim that either Thor or Diana are unskilled.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fighting legions of demons/orges/trolls/giants while leading vastly less powerful and often greatly outnumbered forces to victory counts for something. There's also such instances such as fighting said hordes by one's self while in a far less powerful state than normally depicted and emerging unscathed as well.To that end, I don't see how anyone can claim that either Thor or Diana are unskilled.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In which all they do is "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH". Nobody is saying they are unskilled, brawling is a skill in itself but swinging arms around doesn't takes much skill when you are just plowing through beings who are vastly inferior to you.
Except all the times they don't only just "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH" (which is plenty). And you just claimed Thor has no skill at all not that many posts ago. There's also the facts that the Frost Giants have consistently been described and portrayed as being legitimate threats to the Asgardians, even Thor (especially before he received Mjolnir).
So, yeah, I'm not seeing how Thor and Diana never display clear skill in the art of prolonged combat and warfare when it's been shown to be the case a whole bunch of times. It's like...their respective schticks in comics.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except all the times they don't only just "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH" (which is plenty). And you just claimed Thor has no skill at all not that many posts ago. There's also the facts that the Frost Giants have consistently been described and portrayed as being legitimate threats to the Asgardians, even Thor (especially before he received Mjolnir).So, yeah, I'm not seeing how Thor and Diana never display clear skill in the art of prolonged combat and warfare when it's been shown to be the case a whole bunch of times. It's like...their respective schticks in comics.
I could see the logic with Wonder Woman but Thor? He is god of thunder, not a god of war.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor doesn't shows much skills in most of his fights. He just hits things with mjolnir untill they go down. His 15 or so slugfests with Hulk should've tipped you off where he looks as much of a brute as Hulk himself. I said he looks like a lumbering idiot who punches people with no skill which is true for most of his portrayals.I could see the logic with Wonder Woman but Thor? He is god of thunder, not a god of war.
So i guess superman's also not skilled in combat either? after all, all we see is him throwing left and right haymakers.
We know that's not true though. Superman is a skilled fighter when it comes to pressure points. He's even trained with both Diana and Bruce in self defense.
Originally posted by SquallX
So i guess superman's also not skilled in combat either? after all, all we see is him throwing left and right haymakers.We know that's not true though. Superman is a skilled fighter when it comes to pressure points. He's even trained with both Diana and Bruce in self defense.
http://i.imgur.com/fsKFW3I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MN6FSZV.jpg
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Zod was a highly trained russian supersoldier who was taught by KGBeast in h2h for his whole life. Superman took on him when they were equally powered and nearly snapped his neck. There are a lot of examples like that. Not in case of wonder woman though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor doesn't shows much skills in most of his fights. He just hits things with mjolnir untill they go down. His 15 or so slugfests with Hulk should've tipped you off where he looks as much of a brute as Hulk himself. I said he looks like a lumbering idiot who punches people with no skill which is true for most of his portrayals.I could see the logic with Wonder Woman but Thor? He is god of thunder, not a god of war.
He's actually used his superior skill over Hulk to his advantage in several of their fights, especially when deprived of Mjolnir. And there's plenty of fights where if sheer force from Mjolnir or his bare hands can't beat someone, he resorts to something else. I'm not saying he's the most skilled fighter ever, but on the battlefield, he's a great warrior and has been shown and stated to be so for decades.
And yes, Thor is a god of war. Not officially like Tyr, who is THE god of war, but Thor's always been considered the greatest warrior of Asgard (and mythology as a whole based a lot of statements and narration made on his behalf), Tyr included. In fact, it's part of the reason why Tyr's always been butthurt about Thor. There's so many stories and tales of Thor rallying Asgard to fend off hordes of enemies even he has trouble with barring him going completely all out.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And yes, Thor is a god of war. Not officially like Tyr, who is THE god of war, but Thor's always been considered the greatest warrior of Asgard (and mythology as a whole based a lot of statements and narration made on his behalf), Tyr included. In fact, it's part of the reason why Tyr's always been butthurt about Thor. There's so many stories and tales of Thor rallying Asgard to fend off hordes of enemies even he has trouble with barring him going completely all out.
Speaking of the God of War:
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except all the times they don't only just "PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH" (which is plenty). And you just claimed Thor has no skill at all not that many posts ago. There's also the facts that the Frost Giants have consistently been described and portrayed as being legitimate threats to the Asgardians, even Thor (especially before he received Mjolnir).So, yeah, I'm not seeing how Thor and Diana never display clear skill in the art of prolonged combat and warfare when it's been shown to be the case a whole bunch of times. It's like...their respective schticks in comics.
What the f*ck are you talking about fanboy?
Look at all those punches he threw.
Thor being an extremely skilled fighter has most definitely been forgotten.
Why do you even bother Jake?
Truth is, it's extremely difficult to showcase both skill and power/strength. Thor's not like Wonder Woman, he's an elite high herald who already has his power/strength and versatility nerfed often enough whether through holding back or whatever to co-exist with Earth heroes. Him being a master combatant and an expert at the art of war stacks the deck even further. It's no coincidence that when made mortal or in flashbacks where he's a teenager without Mjolnir, he's suddenly a Viking era Captain America.
One thing's for certain, he's never going to be portrayed as a complete and total amateur at fighting like a certain Man of Steel.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has actually taken on people highly skilled in all out slugfests and beaten them. He has taken on people even more powerful than him via sheer skills and experience in his powers. Who has wonder woman beaten by his "oh so wonderful skillz"?http://i.imgur.com/fsKFW3I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MN6FSZV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r4WiBYW.jpgZod was a highly trained russian supersoldier who was taught by KGBeast in h2h for his whole life. Superman took on him when they were equally powered and nearly snapped his neck. There are a lot of examples like that. Not in case of wonder woman though.
So i guess Ares, the God Of War himself don't count huh? Skills wise, Ares would school most of Superman Rogue Gallery. The only one i see in the Superman gallery to be his equal would be Darkseid.
Then again, when was the last Darkseid used skill to punk his enemies? But we know Darkseid is skill.
The Olympian is another one that comes to mind.
Hercules is another one. Since Hercules kinda follows the Myth to a certain degree, we knows he's wrestle Zeus to a stand still, beat Ares in combat multiple times.
stalemated both Poseidon and Ares at once.
Diana is one of the most skilled warrior in DC, period.
Originally posted by SquallX
So i guess Ares, the God Of War himself don't count huh? Skills wise, Ares would school most of Superman Rogue Gallery. The only one i see in the Superman gallery to be his equal would be Darkseid.Then again, when was the last Darkseid used skill to punk his enemies? But we know Darkseid is skill.
The Olympian is another one that comes to mind.
Hercules is another one. Since Hercules kinda follows the Myth to a certain degree, we knows he's wrestle Zeus to a stand still, beat Ares in combat multiple times.
stalemated both Poseidon and Ares at once.
Diana is one of the most skilled warrior in DC, period.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's actually used his superior skill over Hulk to his advantage in several of their fights, especially when deprived of Mjolnir. And there's plenty of fights where if sheer force from Mjolnir or his bare hands can't beat someone, he resorts to something else. I'm not saying he's the most skilled fighter ever, but on the battlefield, he's a great warrior and has been shown and stated to be so for decades.And yes, Thor is a god of war. Not officially like Tyr, who is THE god of war, but Thor's always been considered the greatest warrior of Asgard (and mythology as a whole based a lot of statements and narration made on his behalf), Tyr included. In fact, it's part of the reason why Tyr's always been butthurt about Thor. There's so many stories and tales of Thor rallying Asgard to fend off hordes of enemies even he has trouble with barring him going completely all out.
I'm sure there are many stories about Thor fighting skilled opponents. That's why when Rage is throwing a hissy fit, he's posting Thor fighting random demons and what not. I wanted to see a single comparison from Thor with a modern day skilled fighter. Guess not.
