Tenebrous vs Darth Krayt

Originally posted by ares834
Also, Maul (even though he only say Sidious's lightsaber as a blur) did give him a fight in the CW. Even in their one on one he managed to get a kick in.

Originally posted by ares834
Anyway, just because Plaguies can compete with TPM Sidious does not mean he is as fast.

Originally posted by ares834
It's a very large leap of logic to assume Plaguies speed is the same during his training under Tenebrous to him at the end of his life. And once again, combat speed=/=running speed.

Originally posted by ares834
Simply because Tenebrous can run as fast as Plags does not mean he has the same combat speed.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I never said so.

So then, why bring it up?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really. Why would be become faster? You have zero evidence.

Except, I never said he became faster. You, however, are assuming that his speed did not change. That's a big and unlikely assumption which you argument entirely relies upon.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No? Plagueis' running speed had to be roughly the same as his combat speed for him to fight Venamis as fast as he did.

Huh? I already know Plaguies is fast. However, I haven't seen anything to show Tenebrous is a very quick combatant.

Originally posted by ares834
So then, why bring it up?

Originally posted by ares834
Except, I never said he became faster. You, however, are assuming that his speed did not change. That's a big and unlikely assumption which you argument entirely relies upon.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Your point had nothing to do with mine. No one said that Plagueis was as fast as Palpatine.

Ok. Then what evidence do you have that Plagueis is vastly faster than Krayt (or Vader)?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Even if it did, which is unlikely and unsupported,

Unlikely? Not at all. We've seen that increased force mastery certainly allows one to become faster.

Unsupported? Yes. But then so to is the theory that Plagueis speed didn't change.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
the speed difference between Plagueis and Tenebrous would've been so small as to not worth noticing.

Huh? How does that follow?

And once again running speed=/=combat speed

Originally posted by ares834
Ok. Then what evidence do you have that Plagueis is vastly faster than Krayt (or Vader)?

Originally posted by ares834
Unlikely? Not at all. We've seen that increased force mastery certainly allows one to become faster.

Originally posted by ares834
Unsupported? Yes. But then so to is the theory that Plagueis speed didn't change.

Originally posted by ares834
Huh? How does that follow?

Originally posted by ares834
And once again running speed=/=combat speed

Edit: Actually this entire debate doesn't even matter as it's all about Plagueis. I'm going to cut it down to what is important, what combat speed feats or statements does Tenebrous have that makes him faster than Vader or Krayt?

Running fast is all nice and good, but Usain Bolt isn't going to be a faster fighter than Bruce Lee.

Ehm... Running speed works in conjuction with combat speed. Plagueis' running speed has to roughly equal to his combat speed for his feet to keep up with his lightsaber. Even insinuating this is false, Tenebrous' running speed would allow him to outrun Krayt easily. Krayt would never even get a hit in on Tenebrous. Krayt's TK is rather useless as well. Tenebrous' speed and TK is such that he would beat Krayt by direct TK attacks.

Perhaps. I can't recall any impressive TK feats for Tenebrous. However, I've never been overly impressed by Krayt.

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/intrepid37/blog/respect-darth-tenebrous/95513/

Lol@ this debate

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Ehm... Running speed works in conjuction with combat speed. Plagueis' running speed has to roughly equal to his combat speed for his feet to keep up with his lightsaber. Even insinuating this is false, Tenebrous' running speed would allow him to outrun Krayt easily. Krayt would never even get a hit in on Tenebrous. Krayt's TK is rather useless as well. Tenebrous' speed and TK is such that he would beat Krayt by direct TK attacks.

I'm not exactly convinced by either of that, given Krayt's high speed, but there's also Krayt's lightning and illusions, and he's shown impressive energy absorption which Tenebrous, I believe, has not. He's the more varied character.

Originally posted by Q99
He's the more varied character.

Krayt's pretty varied for Sith in general, which probably comes from living so long.

Tenebrous wins, because he has epic Kenyan running speed, which is absolutely essential to close quarters combat.

Originally posted by Q99
Krayt's pretty varied for Sith in general, which probably comes from living so long.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
His few arcane powers are impressive and his lightning fairly powerful. He's a better scholar than most can pretend to be, but he's lacking in the more universal aspects of combat; TK, skill, physical attributes etc.

Skill? He was a master combatant a century ago, before he'd even begun to train in the sith ways and gained a ton more combat experience. Physical attributes? He's large and physically capable and has a rather impressive impressive blitz feat, he shows himself second to no-one in his time physically, not even the young and fit skywalker.

He started out as a physical combat specialist, before gaining the more arcane skills.

And some of his gained force skills are ones known to help in physical combat, like shatterpoint.

Originally posted by Q99
Skill? He was a master combatant a century ago, before he'd even begun to train in the sith ways and gained a ton more combat experience.

Tenebrous curbstomps this. One telekinetic burst would injure Krayt severely.

Lol, nah.

No, yes.

Pffheh.

*If only* Krayt had experience with people who had strong tk and demonstrated TK defense against them 😉

You know, someone like Cade Skywalker, who has very very high TK feats. If Krayt had ever fought someone like that, perhaps multiple times, then he'd have an answer to opposing TK.