M.G.T.O.W. (Men Going Their Own Way)

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So you want sex with none of the risk and responsibility? Do you realize how selfish and immature that sounds?

No one forces you to marry. No one forces you to have unprotected sex. Deal with the consequences or exercise better judgment. Stop sobbing about things
you have subjected yourself to. It's unmanly.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having safe, casual, no strings attached sex with a woman. It is not illegal, it being immoral is subjective, it is not selfish and immature or unmanly. It's ok, more like..

On a side note, one of the biggest disciplines a mgtow must master are shaming tactics made to make the man feel inadequate. Feminists and white knights use this tactic a lot. It's one of the main weapons used against a man opting out.

Examples like :

"You're not a real man."
"You've been hurt before."
"Your just bitter."
"You must be gay."
"Man up"
"Stop whining"
"Suck it up like a man."
"Grow up."
"You just need some pus."
"You're a misogynist"

The true mgtow looks past ad hominem, straw man fallacies and non non sequiturs, all popular with and used as weapons by feminists and white knights against mgtow.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The true mgtow looks past ad hominem, straw man fallacies and non non sequiturs, all popular with and used as weapons by feminists and white knights against mgtow.

Is "you sound like a pretentious idiot" the kind of non non sequitur that gets thrown at you a lot? I do love the doublethink needed for the identity politics of systems founded individualism. Nietzsche and Thoreau both had it right, chaining yourself to a notion of freedom is not a form of freedom.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Is "you sound like a pretentious idiot" the kind of non non sequitur that gets thrown at you a lot? I do love the doublethink needed for the identity politics of systems founded individualism. Nietzsche and Thoreau both had it right, chaining yourself to a notion of freedom is not a form of freedom.

No. It's not. I just mistakenly rewrote "non" again. I meant to write it once. As in "Non-sequitur" ..

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
No. It's not.

You're really good at reading between the lines.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having safe, casual, no strings attached sex with a woman. It is not illegal, it being immoral is subjective, it is not selfish and immature or unmanly. It's ok, more like..

On a side note, one of the biggest disciplines a mgtow must master are shaming tactics made to make the man feel inadequate. Feminists and white knights use this tactic a lot. It's one of the main weapons used against a man opting out.

Examples like :

"You're not a real man."
"You've been hurt before."
"Your just bitter."
"You must be gay."
"Man up"
"Stop whining"
"Suck it up like a man."
"Grow up."
"You just need some pus."
"You're a misogynist"

The true mgtow looks past ad hominem, straw man fallacies and non non sequiturs, all popular with and used as weapons by feminists and white knights against mgtow.

I never said casual safe sex was unmanly. I said your blubbering about being oppressed by the feminazi brigade is unmanly, since men still get paid more, and the most powerful people in the world are almost entirely old men. Men have a disproportionate amount of power, financial and otherwise, in the world. Also, in the event the most powerful man and the most powerful woman in the world get into conflict, he can lift her over his head.

This is all a bunch of entitled whining that I see from you/this group, and it's juvenile. A real man isn't threatened by women, feminist or otherwise, and he isn't having to make a freedom movement against an imagined threat.

Furthermore, I indicated that some of the complaints you lodged that society/females oppress you with are consequences of your own actions, and therefore not something to whine about. Clip it and continue, or be extra careful, or sign a prenup. This isn't rocket science. There aren't leagues of broken men littering the streets who got screwed in divorce.

Honestly, the irony of the situation is hilarious:

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're really good at reading between the lines.

Look, speak clearly and succinctly with no innuendos. You won't be thought of any less for it..

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I never said casual safe sex was unmanly. I said your blubbering about being oppressed by the feminazi brigade is unmanly, since men still get paid more, and the most powerful people in the world are almost entirely old men. Men have a disproportionate amount of power, financial and otherwise, in the world. Also, in the event the most powerful man and the most powerful woman in the world get into conflict, he can lift her over his head.

This is all a bunch of entitled whining that I see from you/this group, and it's juvenile. A real man isn't threatened by women, feminist or otherwise, and he isn't having to make a freedom movement against an imagined threat.

Furthermore, I indicated that some of the complaints you lodged that society/females oppress you with are consequences of your own actions, and therefore not something to whine about. Clip it and continue, or be extra careful, or sign a prenup. This isn't rocket science. There aren't leagues of broken men littering the streets who got screwed in divorce.

How is protesting an evident issue that’s clearly seen all over, unmanly. Why can’t a man speak out against unrighteousness or take action towards being freed of said unrighteousness? Why do men have to suffer in silence because shamers like you and feminist think he should just stay quiet “take the beating like a man”? Why should he stay quiet as what happens to him, due to female biased systems, rip away his dignity? I guess to you, only women should protest/whine, well, “because they’re women..”

And what men do you know have all this power? 99% of men have no real power at all in the U.S. especially in this system. The only ones whom have this power are the one percent, which consist of both men and women, and it’s illegal for a woman to earn less than a man doing the same job. The wage gap is a myth. May I refer you to the books “Why men earn more” and “The Myth of Male Power” authored by Dr. Warren Farrell where he specifically breaks down and successfully debunks this myth. And he served on the New York City Board of (N.O.W.) The National Organization of Women!

And more futile shaming language is used. “A real man isn't threatened by women, feminist or otherwise.” “Real man” is subjective, and “imagined threat”? That’s what we’re made to think. That the decline in marriage numbers, the divorce uptick, fathers losing custody battles over and over again, false rape accusations, undeserved alimony payments, 50% female to male domestic violence abuse, Female teachers getting slaps on the wrist for having sex with minors in school, female to male violence being the norm in the media, female doctors legally medicating the hell out of boys for just being boys, while making up disorders I’ve never heard of as a kid, 1 to 6 ratio of female shelters across the u.s. compared to men’s shelters. Harsher sentences for men committing the same crime are all imagined threats, to a fool or an ignorant man.

And since “a real man” is subjective here’s my meaning. “A real man” does not allow another person to encroach upon him and define for him what a real man is.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How does it sound gay to you? These men would still bang women. They just won't marry and have kids and responsibilities with them because of the biased system.

If they don't want to marry, that's fine, perhaps it will hurt their chances with women who desire marriage, but that's their problem. But children are of interest to society as a whole, and some of that responsibility is put on the people who created the offspring, that includes the fathers. Women, tbh, are far worse affected by societies expectations (as well as just biological facts of procreation) than men are. The requirements that are put on men in regards to their offspring can definitely be justified (although I am not a fan of the current system, a system where men get off scot-free and women have to bear the whole cost of child rearing is surely not fair, nor in the interest of society).

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
For example 60% of marriages end in divorce and guess whom benefits the most from a divorce. 70% of divorce initiators are women. Guess who mostly "gets taken to the cleaners"? Who wins child custody cases the most, even if you're a qualified man?

Marriage is a contract. If your contract states that you split your worth and distribute the labours of your relationship (in our society that is traditionally that the men does work for the outside world to bring in monetary funds, while the women does the domestic work of keeping the household, raising the children, etc.) then you have to oblige by these rules you have committed to. In that case men are not "worse off", they just didn't realise that just cause they are the one bringing home the paycheck it is not theirs alone.

There is likely some bias in the court system and that should be worked to be dismantled (in which case MRAs should work together with feminists who are actually doing the work to get rid of the patriarchal structures that in this case benefit women).

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
In the media men mostly are the idiots or the monsters.

Men are the heroes, the leaders, the protagonists, unique people. Women are underrepresented and when represented only as one-dimensional stereotypes.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
There are far more cases of testicular cancer than breast cancer in the u.s. yet research is 1/6th of the federal funding breast cancer does gets.

That's just not true. Breast cancer is the second most common cancer in women. Testicular cancer doesn't even make the top-10 in men (it's 16th). Only 1% of instances of cancer in men is testicular, while about 12% of instances of cancer in women is breast cancer (if your stats on federal funding are correct, testicular gets two times more funding than it warrants (in your simplistic calculation)). You would have a bit more of a point regarding prostate cancer, which has about 4/5th of the incidents, but only gets about 1/2 of the funding (if only the federal government, which is by a vast majority comprised of males, hadn't blown all that money on testicular cancer research, amirite?)

Additionally, breast cancer does affect men, although to a much smaller degree.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Look, speak clearly and succinctly with no innuendos. You won't be thought of any less for it..

I speak clearly but there are limits to how much I will lower myself.

Wow, FistoftheMaleStar, you are quite a piece of work. 99% of men don't have power? Is that why you have the freedom to espouse such obvious rubbish? 73% of stats are made up on the spot you know.

I'm wondering if you ever looked beyond your agreeable sources to confirm what you hold dear so much, but I sincerely doubt it. As someone who is not prone to selective source bias and lives in the "real world", I find your conviction troubling. You say I am a shamer/feminist etc. for disagreeing with you, even though 99% of what you've been asserting you've made up. High divorce rates in particular are not signs of female oppression but signs of changing times. More people prefer to cohabitat in this day and age and divorce is just as much affected by money as it is by personal chemistry and falling out of love. To take a bunch of unrelated instances and universally apply "female/societal pressure" as the culprit is not taking into account all variables, or personal responsibility for that matter.

tl;dr, stop whining and trying to unionize the dominant sex of society and focus your efforts on making your life/the world/your community a better place. You controll most of your misery. If you feel freedom is banging whatever and not being tied down, good luck finding moral comrades. I have no sympathy for people who pretend to be oppressed when the reverse is true.

Men's Rights activists are like slugs. Repulsive slimy little creatures too ugly to even qualify to be worms.

lol ^

Originally posted by Tzeentch
lol ^

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How does it sound gay to you? These men would still bang women. They just won't marry and have kids and responsibilities with them because of the biased system.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with the mgtow movement. It's quite the opposite.

Are you suggesting that only heterosexual men can be members of this MGTOW? Cos that would be hilarious, a bunch of dudes getting together to whine about how they're being put down, only to put down others in kind.

Also, you going from "I'm black and being oppressed!" to "I'm male and being oppressed!" is epic lolz. 👆

Leave it to Rob to put everything in perspective.

Crazy thing is he's not even black. He's Cuban iirc.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Leave it to Rob to put everything in perspective.

Crazy thing is he's not even black. He's Cuban iirc.

It's why God put me here 👆

I think Dominican.

Guys, you should totally visit the MGTOW forums. It's a ****ing goldmine.

It's uncanny just how many post can be summed up as: "I'm an alpha male; I hate women, lets get together and have straight male-male sex."

Originally posted by Robtard
It's uncanny just how many post can be summed up as: "I'm an alpha male; I hate women, lets get together and have straight male-male sex."

7PM, Local Mall, 2nd male WC on the 1st aisle, wide stance. Catch you there.

Here's a choice quote from the MGTOW forum:

"Here's a newsflash for the twats: Welcome to the new economy bitches. Marriage and dreams of family are dead. Noone needs your sorry asses any longer, unless it's to drop a load in.

This is reality, now and into the future, not the dated prince-charming bullshit you bought into from yesteryear.

Go on. Eat that shit sandwich and smile like a good girl. You pleaded for it. Yum, yum, yum."

God, it's like I'm reading the Onion or something. Good shit, good shit.