Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Gotta love how you ended it with shaming tactics as a feminist would. You knew that was coming, lol. It can never end without at least one personal attacks thrown in..
I didn't realize rejecting the doctrine your group espouses was a feminist shaming tactic, but it's good to know that sweeping generalizations is what you specialize in.
[list]MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way is a label that has been given to naturally occurring phenomena that takes place consciously or unconsciously among men.
MGTOW is the statement of self-ownership and saying that only you have the right to decide what your goals in life should be.
It is saying that, as a man I will not surrender my will to the social expectations of women and society, because both have become hostile against masculinity.[/list]
This is absolutely adorable. Men are under fire. Quick! Group up so we can take back what's ours!
Let's look at some testimonials from happy users:
Society expects my to waste my life by serving others as a worker-drone in organised gene replication unit.
Thanks, but no thanks. I will spend my life doing things that are good for me, because I am worth it.
How terrible! I can't imagine what life is like for him! To have no freedom, but be shackled to a female and being forced to help her replicate while giving her the sweat of your brow with little thanks in turn! What a Parasite women must be!
The bottom line is this: Women don’t know what the f**k they really want.
Guys are so f*****g simple. We know EXACTLY what we want: Sex or b**w j**s about 3 or 4 times
a week, a good pizza or burger every now and then, and about one day a week that we can go do
stuff that we like, whether it’s poker or golf or what have you. How hard is that to
understand?
Women, on the other hand, have NO CLUE what they want. They’ve been told they can have it
all, that they need to be this or that, that they need to do this or that. I don’t think many
of them honestly know what it is they want. They only know what it is they don’t have.
REPLY:
You hit it on the head. they don’t know, but they sure feel like whatever it is, it’s not
enough, life s***s, and they need to take their unhappiness out on you.
Yeah, I can totally relate. I mean, sex on command and food is really all that separates me from happiness. Oh, and my health, social aspect of life, having goals and dreams, achieving progresses towards said goals and dreams, learning new things, mastering new skills, traveling, helping others in need, etc.
I'm pretty sure the new refined MGTOW pyramid of needs runs like this:
Freedom from female shackles > Sex > more sex > blow job > hand job > pizza > burger > self-actualization.
Yeah, this movement sounds like a bunch of low-brow fools who got into marriages they wish they could back out of, but because they didn't sign a pre-nup, or use protection, they're stuck. Responsibility sucks.
First off the extent of it does not end with biased divorce courts and child custody cases, it begins there..For example the double standards and the hypocrisy that comes along with beneficial one sided portrayals, demonstrations and teachings in medium, academia and employment is very apparent.
What specifics do you have here?
I mean, just taking one aspect - film, that's hardly skewed in favor of women. Just look at the Bechdel test.
[list]The website, bechdeltest.com, is a user-edited database of some 4,500 films classified by whether or not they pass the test, with the added requirement that the women must be named characters. As of November 2013, it listed 56% of these films as passing all three of the test's requirements, 11% as failing one (the women's conversations are about men), 23% as failing two (the women don't talk to each other) and 10% as failing all three (there are not two named female characters).[/list]
That's hardly showcasing the vicious fem-engine which tramples men's rights and castrates them in media.
What about academia? I work in a school. I think I'd be well aware if this was the case. But I'm sure you have something specific to support this as well.
Employment? Elaborate?
And given that, it seems men are not suppose to not call any of it out out, pick it apart, ask honest or hard or any questions at all or be seen as a absolute misogynist and a sadistic rapist whom harbors extreme hatred towards women. It's the perfect crime.
Really? I've seen classrooms full of women say quite the opposite. Were they all lying for my benefit?
I think the guys who say "fcuk you" to that are the mgtow. Sure you have your extremists and that's whom you're referring to, but they are few and far between. The vast majority of mgtow and it's ideals are non-violent.
Their level of violence is irrelevant. I said the group is whiny and most of them, like children, can't handle their responsibility so they're blaming society instead of considering that perhaps - just perhaps - the real issue is they are with the wrong person and they made wrong choices leading up to this point.
I lived with a woman who could be described as dominating my free time, money, energy, priorities, etc. and putting herself and her family first for five years. I didn't come out of that thinking that all women suck and I am a weak defenseless minority male who needs to band with other unappreciated alphas to survive.
Also, I didn't marry her or give her children, because I thought ahead and exercised responsibility. So when enough was enough, I wasn't shackled.
Also I don't think it's fair to equate flipping the bird, saying "thank you, but fcuk you" to the new norm and walking away peacefully, to a being whiner or complainer. I agree with you. A support group is not needed for this lifestyle, or for any other lifestyle for that matter. That's where group think and our innate herd mentality kick in, which is not always a good thing because situations like for example a hive mind or a cult can form and that always a bad thing.Also why is it that feminist support groups are seen as strong, empowering and to be taken very seriously, in their own yet male ones are to be shamed, seen as complainers, seen as a joke and not to be taken serious and fought with bloodlust if momentum starts gathering?
Uh, because men have overwhelmingly dominated society for thousands of years? Maybe that's why? I mean, would you take a white support group seriously? Even in an area where they were the visible minority, the movement would be entirely ridiculous, especially given that whites, like men, still enjoy more opportunities, are more likely to succeed based on SES, and aren't victims of racism on the same scale.
So when you say men are oppressed and need support, it just sounds ridiculous given that they've had power forever and still arguably have much more power. And as I said before, physically, we're stronger. So we're not threatened in any real sense of the word except for those of us who made bad decisions and are threatened with responsibility.
You're referring to this?
Originally posted by Astner
A fellow dork in high school said that my hair looked like Yagami Light's, and that's the only anime character I've been compared to. But he's not from the big three, also my eyes are blue.On top of that I'm pretty buffed, as you can see.
God, you could break a brick on those abs. Look at that, I could probably masturbate to the mirror, and I'm straight!
Meh, I suppose I'd be Shino Aburame if I added some wax.
Originally posted by Astner
So this site is for men who couldn't live up to the standards of society? In other words they're ugly, unemployed, and too conceited to lower their own standards and too lazy to do anything about it?
If by not living up to society's standard you mean of not wanting to get married, not wanting children, not wanting the burden of a family, keeping 100% of your paycheck for your needs, having a peace of mind daily, living by yourself, the ability to be intolerant to b.s. without consequence, coming and going wherever and whenever you please, doing your own chores when you say so and choosing not to deal with compromise at home on a daily basis, then, yeah.
And to you, men who want this must be ugly, unemployed and too lazy.
Ha. Nice try.
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Children and marriage are not so much standards are decisions made by the couple. There are plenty of couples that don't want to have children or don't want to marry. No one is going to look down on you for not wanting to have children or for not wanting to get married.
The rest seems to be the desires of an egocentric douchebag.
Originally posted by Astner
Children and marriage are not so much standards are decisions made by the couple. There are plenty of couples that don't want to have children or don't want to marry. No one is going to look down on you for not wanting to have children or for not wanting to get married.The rest seems to be the desires of an egocentric douchebag.
Not wanting to be in a relationship doesn't make you an egocentric douchebag.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
If by not living up to society's standard you mean of not wanting to get married,
No one is forcing you to.
not wanting children,
No one is forcing you to have them.
not wanting the burden of a family,
A family as in, the rest of your family, or as in a girlfriend or spouse? Cause I mean, nothing can help you with the former, but you don't need the latter either.
keeping 100% of your paycheck for your needs,
This is a problem you should take up with the government, because no one is forcing you to spend money on a female.
having a peace of mind daily,
So I guess you're saying women are annoying?
living by yourself,
No one is stopping you. Except maybe your own financial security.
the ability to be intolerant to b.s. without consequence,
What kind of pussy bullshit is this lol? Everything you do has a consequence, only a self-entitled coward whines when he has to face them.
By the way, what is B.S. ?
coming and going wherever and whenever you please,
I can only guess at what you mean by this, but out of respect I will choose not to. Elaborate.
doing your own chores when you say so and choosing not to deal with compromise at home on a daily basis, then, yeah.
Both of these can be accomplished by either living alone or by paying all of the bills. If you do either of those, you can tell whoever else to **** off, but if you don't, you have no right.
