Gorr: God Slayer vs The New Gods

Originally posted by Uriel005
People still haven't figured that the power of "this is a job for superman" >>>>>>> Omniversal powers?

Originally posted by deathlife
The problem I have with the New Gods is their power depiction=/=writer intent.

Reading Final Crisis, we have what is the actual physical manifestation of New Gods on Earth (which has never actually happened before) but they didn't display anything close to their supposed level of power. Kalibak was eviscerated by Tawny the Tiger (which was funny as heck) and Darkseid really didn't do much (except use the Omega sanction on Batman who fatally wounded his body in the process). Darkseid is solid sky father (he's actually implied to be above that) but he rarely shows such power except when he recently destroyed a planet casually and owned the JL.

I have no doubt that the New Gods are meant to be extremely powerful but DC hasn't really shown said power properly IMO.

Darkseid didn't do much? He was destroying the multiverse on panel, just by existing. And when he struck Bruce with the omega sanction, he infused him with omega energies enough to tear apart the concept of time itself, which would have destroyed reality eventually.
Here's the scan saying that Bruce's presence was tearing apart time (due to the omega radiation which Darkseid infused him with):

http://i.imgur.com/ynlHj05.jpg?1

But anyway i agree with you that not all New Gods are meant to be super-powerful. After Morrison's Batman: RIP arc (which ended with Dr Hurt hinting that Batman would be captured by the New Gods despite the fact that he didn't have any supernatural abilities, which was exactly what happened afterwards), in Batman #683, we see him own the New Gods which were responsible for his abduction. So yeah.

Though Darkseid being a solid skyfather depends on your definition of "Skyfather".

Also, the endless have displayed enough feats to establish their power-level.

Originally posted by operator616
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I must add: in that same issue, we have Darkseid saying this:

http://i.imgur.com/IazJij4.jpg?1

"They have only ever faced an idea of a God before, now is God incarnate come among them"

That hints that this was the fully manifested Darkseid, while all other portrayals weren't at full power/full manifestation. Morrison confirmed that in the interview which i previously mentioned. See ahead.

At the end of FC #4, Darkseid's lackeys ask him to deliver them a sign:
http://imgur.com/rpmJGyO

'seid responds with a thumbs down to existence:
http://imgur.com/KdQnwbR

In the very next issue, GLs note the following...

Kyle: "Spacetime around the earth just crumpled, like it was crushed in a fist. Weeks smashed into days."
Guardian: [i]"The destructive emanations of Darkseid that have fastened themselves to the planet earth are power-classified: New Gods. They have word-weapons capable of enslaving souls. Machines that can rewrite the laws of being and bring whole civilizations to their knees.":
http://imgur.com/HvSdrUD

And by FC #7, Darkseid notes: "As ALL time becomes ONE time.":
http://imgur.com/8JFPNvs

So presumably the simple action of Darkseid delivering a thumbs down is what initiated the collapse of space and time on a multiversal level, and ultimately merged ALL timelines into a singular event. Insane.

Originally posted by operator616
It was in that same interview that Morrison said that these are Full power New Gods (in FC).

I read the whole interview on cbr, though it got erased last time i checked; but here's the relevant i found in this page:

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-new-gods.html

" Everything we’ve ever seen before has been kind of projections from the world of the New Gods and [B] for the first time we’re seeing them in their full power. And it’s like what would happen if a god appeared on the planet. Galactus is one god. This is a whole bunch of them—that’s how bad it is."

This + the on panel scan which i provided above should confirm it. And there's also this from Final Crisis: Secret Files:

http://i.imgur.com/Jqn4wxi.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/TtMzkUZ.jpg?1

Notice how Morrison says "the higher vibratory world of the New Gods" (also saying that we only see small parts of the New Gods artifacts and weapons) and refers to the multiverse as the "material world". Further suggesting that the New Gods are metaphysical beings.[/B]

Hey operator, I think Superman stated that omega energies would destroy reality in Time Masters: Vanishing Point which Rip agreed. Can you post that scan?

Originally posted by operator616
Here's the scan saying that Bruce's presence was tearing apart time (due to the omega radiation which Darkseid infused him with):
http://i.imgur.com/ynlHj05.jpg?1

Same thing was stated again here:
http://imgur.com/YlDp9Va

There's also Superman's comment: "Darkseid turned you into a doomsday weapon and aimed you directly at the 21st century!":
http://imgur.com/EnrLtMr

The more precise(ie. universal) effects of Bruce's 'detonation' were explained here:
http://imgur.com/swivwmK

@abhi: Yeah, here's a scan from issue 6:

http://i.imgur.com/JHwCqPy.jpg

"infused with so much omega radiation that could have caused time to break up"

Originally posted by Galan007
Since we're on the topic, here is yet another of Darkseid's feats from FC that is often overlooked-- heck, I'm not sure that I've ever seen anyone mention it.

At the end of FC #4, Darkseid's lackeys ask him to deliver them a sign:
http://imgur.com/rpmJGyO

'seid responds with a thumbs down to existence:
http://imgur.com/KdQnwbR

In the very next issue, GLs note the following...

Kyle: "Spacetime around the earth just crumpled, like it was crushed in a fist. Weeks smashed into days."
Guardian: [i]"The destructive emanations of Darkseid that have fastened themselves to the planet earth are power-classified: New Gods. They have word-weapons capable of enslaving souls. Machines that can rewrite the laws of being and bring whole civilizations to their knees.":
http://imgur.com/HvSdrUD

And by FC #7, Darkseid notes: "As ALL time becomes ONE time.":
http://imgur.com/8JFPNvs

So presumably the simple action of Darkseid delivering a thumbs down is what initiated the collapse of space and time on a multiversal level, and ultimately merged ALL timelines into a singular event. Insane.

👆 I myself didn't pay attention to that.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Same thing was stated again here:
http://imgur.com/YlDp9Va

There's also Superman's comment: "Darkseid turned you into a doomsday weapon and aimed you directly at the 21st century!":
http://imgur.com/EnrLtMr

The more precise(ie. universal) effects of Bruce's 'detonation' were explained here:
http://imgur.com/swivwmK

Yup. It's confirmed beyond all doubt.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No context and they weren't amped either. Just random new gods were creating fully formed universes. Darkseid and Highfather were so much above them that Mr. Miracle after defeating Black Racer who is an actual abstract when he realized his full new god potential was easily wrecked by Highfather.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was saying that these random power level feats are meaningless when character fights.

Originally posted by operator616
@abhi: Yeah, here's a scan from issue 6:

http://i.imgur.com/JHwCqPy.jpg

"infused with so much omega radiation that could have caused time to break up"

👆 I myself didn't pay attention to that.

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Is Operator the guy to go to for scans or something?