Professor X mind attack!

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was Emperor Joker. You seriously suck at this.

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's as much relevant as Dr. Strange KTFO Galactus with some images or Silver Surfer fooling Galctus with some illusions. Hal was a total n00b at that point.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Moondragon was without mind gem and she was just there to create a link for Thanos to travel to astral zone. Thanos nearly overwhelmed him with his tentacles there before Galactus made his heroic NOOOOOO at the prospect of rape.

http://i.imgur.com/PlVbL4e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dn7lEkm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WbA0P5S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mLJdySX.jpg

"Seduce and Violate me."

😂

Tentacle rape anybody?

Still trying to make it out to be some sort of a low showing? Even though in your own scans Galactus easily proceeds to swat Thanos aside like a gnat? You've fallen even lower than you already were.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So? It still doesn't means that Other didn't mindrape and left him for dead like a two bit whore.

I am talking about Fantastic Four 220 where Ego made him run away with his tail between his legs.

And which was unable to harm Juggernaut and was only equal to Surfer's portion of power cosmic and Surtur and Ymir shrugged off it too. Way to go Galactus.

LOLWUT? Galactus stalemated Mephisto and was only able to fend him off when he threatened to devour his realm. LOL @ nigh omnipotent though. Both Thor and Surfer have beat the shit out of him in his own realm.

That's why Surfer has like half a dozen stalemates with him?

Which was what level actually? He has. When Loki took control of Odin's body for example, he briefly stalemated Odin.

Hungry. And they were evenly matched iirc.

It pushed him back despite his forward momentum enchantment and the mystical forcefield. It bfred both Ymir and Surtur. Galactus was already weakened to severe extremes when the gb hit him the first time. Galactus also withstood a godblast in recent times. This is the same as your the Other con; ignoring current feats in favor of decades old comics.

That is exactly what I am referring to, you dunce. A hungry Galactus stalemate him, and then threatened to eat his entire realm, forcing him to relent. Please point out a single instance of them doing so to a full-powered Mephisto in his realm which didn't involve the classic Mephisto"I'll do anything to corrupt them" context. Oh right, you can't, seeing how you're the same fellow who lies, lowballs, twists and distorts things along with ignoring context to make DC characters look overtly superior to Marvel characters. Yes, he is supposed to nigh-omnipotent in his own realm, as is the case with most Marvel Hell-Lords.

Again, point out one single non-context ridden instance of the Surfer actually stalemating him. Because I have quite a few instances of Meph tooling the Surfer like an ant when they are in his own realm.

Point it out then. Let's sit back and see how much substance you can actually add to your silly lowballing attempts towards Odin and Galactus.

Originally posted by abhilegend

I have.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, cute but no cigar for you. Why is it hyperbole? We saw the new gods creating universes. No shit bro. Morrison retconned all the previous showings. Of course there is. The bubbles there? They are actual universes as Orion tells Superman here.

http://i.imgur.com/s9SAVgh.jpg

Learn and weep.

Originally posted by abhilegend
To someone as ignorant you. Perhaps true.

Originally posted by abhilegend

And creating characters like Captain marvel, superman and wonder woman only for them to die? We saw Omega Sanction making Batman go through torment, its not a mindrape. Its actually creating new realities. LOL, pot, Kettle.

Originally posted by abhilegend

His physical form is nothing to him. Its just ectoplasm.

Originally posted by abhilegend

And we take the most recent material which had Spectre making Mxy powerless and killing people like Nabu.

Originally posted by abhilegend

its better than your fanfiction characters.

Doesn't means that they can't be used to gauge the respective power level of characters.

Sorry kiddo, Superman still beat the shit out of Thor. A mindcontrolled superman getting killed by a magical sword doesn't mean anything.

It absolutely does. Forum rules explicitly ban the usage of cross-overs as any sort of proof to how characters from different companies would perform against each other. I am almost tempted to hit the report button for this, but I'll hold my hand for now.

Not canon per forum rules. I am just using your logic to showcase how Superman is a He-Man level character now. How does it feel to use a double-edged sword?

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's why Doom owned him with a CCU. That's why Thanos became universal with CCU and Magus obliterated Galactus with a fraction of power from 5 CCUs. Sure thing brah. Means what exactly? IG is still far above Galactus and you yourself said that the recent materials take precedent over older materials. Good argument there ZopZop.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And I didn't use it as an argument. I just used it as a measure to far Charles can be stroked by writers. Anyway this is way off topic as it is. If you want the last word, you can take it now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He never ignores the context of his own scans. Ever.

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Non Canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's just it, the summaries of the pre-crisis stories weren't totally accurate with pre-crisis stories after infinite crisis. That's why pre-crisis superman's feats and pre-crisis green lantern's feats can't be applied to post-crisis superman and post crisis GL even though they recall the same events. If the writer wanted the readers to know that spectre needed an amp he would've just added that bit, just IMO though.

The post-crisis summary also didn't reference Anti-Matter Man owning Spectre immediately before he began holding the earths at bay:
http://imgur.com/XkRnUm9
http://imgur.com/AIr6EL8
http://imgur.com/cA12XwH
...Does that mean Spectre's trouncing is non-canon? Absolutely not.

Originally posted by Galan007
Disagree completely. The scene you posted was a single page long and merely depicted the crescendo of the event. Summaries shouldn't be expected to contain every single detail of the main story-- otherwise they wouldn't be summaries at all.

The post-crisis summary also didn't reference Anti-Matter Man owning Spectre immediately before he began holding the earths at bay:
http://imgur.com/XkRnUm9
http://imgur.com/AIr6EL8
http://imgur.com/cA12XwH
...Does that mean Spectre's trouncing is non-canon? Absolutely not.

😆

those scans are f'n hilarious!! spectre looked just like hyperion holding those earths apart. good stuff my friend. 😂

Lol, yeah. This panel in particular could likely induce a laugh in pretty much anyone:

Originally posted by Epicurus
You didn't point out which arc you were referring to. That's on you, not me.

A severely weakened, near-dead Galactus. And it's the only lone outlier of a lower-level hero actually beating Galactus.

Thanos#3. I know that issue. Where is it mentioned anywhere in that comic that she didn't possess the gem? Not saying she did, but unless you produce hard proof of the absence of the gem, I am going to have to defer to her default state; that is MD w/ MG.

Still trying to make it out to be some sort of a low showing? Even though in your own scans Galactus easily proceeds to swat Thanos aside like a gnat? You've fallen even lower than you already were.

The Other and Scrier were struggling to fend off against Galactus in a much more recent encounter.

Hungry. And they were evenly matched iirc.

It pushed him back despite his forward momentum enchantment and the mystical forcefield. It bfred both Ymir and Surtur. Galactus was already weakened to severe extremes when the gb hit him the first time. Galactus also withstood a godblast in recent times. This is the same as your the Other con; ignoring current feats in favor of decades old comics.

That is exactly what I am referring to, you dunce. A hungry Galactus stalemate him, and then threatened to eat his entire realm, forcing him to relent. Please point out a single instance of them doing so to a full-powered Mephisto in his realm which didn't involve the classic Mephisto"I'll do anything to corrupt them" context. Oh right, you can't, seeing how you're the same fellow who lies, lowballs, twists and distorts things along with ignoring context to make DC characters look overtly superior to Marvel characters. Yes, he is supposed to nigh-omnipotent in his own realm, as is the case with most Marvel Hell-Lords.

Again, point out one single non-context ridden instance of the Surfer actually stalemating him. Because I have quite a few instances of Meph tooling the Surfer like an ant when they are in his own realm.

Point it out then. Let's sit back and see how much substance you can actually add to your silly lowballing attempts towards Odin and Galactus.

No, you haven't. Not a single one so far.

Yes.

Because there is not a single universe being made shown in any of the scans you have so far posted, including this one of Orion as well, which doesn't even indicate that an average run of the mill new god is capable of constructing universes on the fly. Sorry, but if you think that such colorful hyperbole(even if written by Morrison) actually counts as a solid feat, then you're deluding yourself.

Yes, sure I am the ignorant one. Even though I have actual feats of characters having a real Creation feat under their belt as opposed to your hyperbole-ridden scans which are worth sh1t in a forum debate.

Do you honestly think that creating high heralds off the fly is really a feat beyond what either Odin or Galactus could achieve? If you do, then I will weep, but for you. The depths to which you have sunk to lowball a Marvel character and highball a DC character are staggering. Prove that it's actually creating new realities, even though nowhere in your scans is it mentioned so. Of course I know you can't, since you have a mental defect when it comes to comprehending comic book scans, but it'll still be fun to watch you try(I know I can be a dick to the mentally challenged sometimes, but you're surprisingly capable of giving as good as you get, so let's get it on anyways).

Punch shattered still. Horrible.

And in the most recent showings Odin bfred energies which could have burnt the Marvelverse to ashes, while Galactus brought the multiverse to its breaking point during his 3-way dance with Scirer/The Other. Galactus also pretty much blew up the Ultimateverse(which has been implied to be a multiverse of its own in at least one recent instance that I recall of).

So Lucifer, Franklin Richards, Caitlin Fairchild, HoM Wanda and the Celestials are fanfic characters made up by me? Guess I have a pretty creative mind then.

It absolutely does. Forum rules explicitly ban the usage of cross-overs as any sort of proof to how characters from different companies would perform against each other. I am almost tempted to hit the report button for this, but I'll hold my hand for now.

Not canon per forum rules. I am just using your logic to showcase how Superman is a He-Man level character now. How does it feel to use a double-edged sword?

A hungry Galactus, and Doom was using it in conjunction with other artifacts as well. Those 5 CCUs combined were close to the power of the Infinity Gems, and Galactus still managed to reform from that attack. Yes, I did, and my point is validated. The IG is indeed above the likes of cosmic beings like Galactus and the Celestials, but the difference is not so palpable that they're gnats compared to it. That was the classic IG. Not current. You're a walking bag of ironies, telling me that I argue like zopzop while making non-sequiters and suffering from a serious case of reading comprehension fail.

You kept bringing it up despite it being pointed out to you multiple times before that it was pointless to refer to it, since X has been beaten down like a bug everytime he tried his mind tricks on G.

Originally posted by Galan007
Disagree completely. The scene you posted was a single page long and merely depicted the crescendo of the event. Summaries shouldn't be expected to contain every single detail of the main story-- otherwise they wouldn't be summaries at all.

The post-crisis summary also didn't reference Anti-Matter Man owning Spectre immediately before he began holding the earths at bay:
http://imgur.com/XkRnUm9
http://imgur.com/AIr6EL8
http://imgur.com/cA12XwH
...Does that mean Spectre's trouncing is non-canon? Absolutely not.

But his power was only sufficient to slow the process, and he was weakening as Anti-Matter man got closer. Desperate, our hero sends a message to Dr. Fate, who calls the Justice League and Justice Society to stop the threat.

I've not read the series in a long time so don't know how true that is. Can you confirm or deny that?

It was never suggested that Spectre had an amp when he held off the earths post-crisis though, it could've been an editorial mistake or something but it wasn't mentioned. Spectre's amp in COIE was noted BTW. Anyway agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, yeah. This panel in particular could likely induce a laugh in pretty much anyone:

Yeah, that's ****ing hilarious.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Got the last word? Happy? I can create a spectre vs Odin/Galactus thread if you want to vent your frustrations more.

Anyways, moving on to the thread topic; a high-end Xavier could pretty much waste everyone on this list. Average Xavier might have problems with the likes of Surfer/Superman/Thor. Wolverine gets turned to psionic sushi in all scenarios possible though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've not read the series in a long time so don't know how true that is. Can you confirm or deny that?

My only issue with using the scene is that we know Fate amped Spectre substantially-- I mean, even Spectre himself credited Fate's amp as the main reason how he was able to hold the earths apart for so long:
http://imgur.com/8aut1g8

...Thus that showing really can't be used as a gauge for a standard/un-amped Spectre.

Originally posted by Galan007
Check out the first scan I posted. AMM was able to emit some sort of visible glow that weakened Spectre-- but once that glow was gone, no narration alluded to Spectre still being progressively weakened by AMM's presence. He seemed to have only been weakened upon that very first/initial contact.

My only issue with using the scene is that we know Fate amped Spectre substantially-- I mean, even Spectre himself credited Fate's amp as the main reason how he was able to hold the earths apart for so long:
http://imgur.com/8aut1g8

...Thus that showing really can't be used as a gauge for a standard/un-amped Spectre.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Seeing how you still replied to my post anyways, that is not giving someone the last word. Though I don't particularly care about having the last word, but when you promise it to someone then it is always wise not to follow up with another post to very same reply that other person gave you in the previous exchange.

Anyways, moving on to the thread topic; a high-end Xavier could pretty much waste everyone on this list. Average Xavier might have problems with the likes of Surfer/Superman/Thor. Wolverine gets turned to psionic sushi in all scenarios possible though.

Agree with Wolverine though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh, did I broke the sacred internet law? My bad.

Agree with Wolverine though.

Wolverine is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most weak-willed being in this thread. Xavier could turn his mind into a psychic pretzel faster than one can say "Wut up, Bub".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. That's fine with me. Spectre did it against Tornado Tyrant though, didn't he?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes. For that, a spanking is in order.

Wolverine is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most weak-willed being in this thread. Xavier could turn his mind into a psychic pretzel faster than one can say "Wut up, Bub".

😂

Without a doubt. Even rookie Jean Grey mindraped him like a whore.

Originally posted by Galan007
That, too, was situational.
http://imgur.com/OPm2mtW
http://imgur.com/jZsENZU
http://imgur.com/WdcH3NK
http://imgur.com/x1dtbDl
http://imgur.com/Qjy94gV
Spectre merely became 'thread-like' and placed himself between the earths, which prevented them from directly touching. Once the device in RT(that turned him into a cosmic magnet) was disabled, the earths/dimensions basically pulled themselves apart, and returned to their normal planes.

w00t

Spectre can undoubtedly take a smashing, like no other. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Spectre can undoubtedly take a smashing, like no other. 👆

👆

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I was just going to post that. It should be noted that Spectre was amped by Fate when he preformed that feat.

Yeah, but that was just because Spectre was weakening due to anti matter man's presence.

We see that he is weakened in the prior issue:

http://i.imgur.com/KSPTxlq.jpg?1

And that's exactly what Fate mentions before giving him the amp:

http://i.imgur.com/9ots4Rz.jpg?1

That's also not to mention that the Spectre said that the amp was fading away:

http://i.imgur.com/rjr08MW.jpg?1

Still, id agree that this isn't a feat which we should gauge standard Spectre's power level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What would be spectre's best feats be post crisis? TP wise and power wise?

His showing against ZHP is one of the best, who was confirmed to be able to re-create most of the infinite multiverse in 52 #7:

http://i.imgur.com/MLEz6Tw.jpg?1

Also, Spectre's fight with Michael in issue 10 (wherr Corrigan was his host, not when he was hostless who is weaker) he gave Spectre a good fight, which is an impressive feat.

Apart from that, the best thing happened to the Spectre post-crisis was the Logoz, which he merged with in 2001. This allowed him to access the power of the Presence. One example you should be familiar with, is the JLA/Spectre Soul war where he tapped into that power.

Another example where he tapped into the power of the Logoz and went to channel the most powerful energy in all the universes (which is apparently prayer) to end the Quoex (a thousand specifies united into one which were also leeching Spectre's own powers), in Spectre v4 #17:

http://i.imgur.com/qv6zjMY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mHGFtHl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ui30UKw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f9GxZWI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jEstuit.jpg

"the power of presence himself lives within me" (through the Logoz):

in the last issue, we see the spectre bring forth a new creation:

http://i.imgur.com/AsTJAiU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TNzgCjN.jpg

There's also that time i recall where it's mentioned that Spectre's temple leads to other alternate realities and that's where he sends his countless aspects (controlled by Spectre-prime), but i couldn't find that instance (i re-checked every issue of v4 and still couldn't find it), ill recheck again later on.

As for Telepathy/mind abilities, that's not the Spectre's strong suit tbh. Just to mention his track record against Batman:

Batman outperformed the Spectre in JLA/Spectre soul war on more than 1 occasion when resisting the trans, he also held his own against him in DC 2000; he couldn't erase batman's memories at the end of Emperor Joker arc (those memoeries were eventually regained by Batman in the following issues of Action Comics in his conversation with superman); something similar happened with Batman in a flash comic regarding his identity.

But anyway, if you want his best feat in terms of mind control, that would be the Final Crisis: Revelations showing, in which he remade the world in Darkseid's name (mindraping everyone) by citing the ALE in an instant.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. That's fine with me. Spectre did it against Tornado Tyrant though, didn't he?

apart from the things already mentioned, he was also killed during that instance:

http://i.imgur.com/Ou5j8aj.jpg?1

.....and didn't appear for 4 years, so...

Originally posted by beatboks
But he wasn't. As your own scan shows. Is aid is as two earths in the space "between universes"

The Spectre was in an "invisible dimension" holding the barriers which separate the 2 earths so that they won't occupy the same space.

It doesn't make sense for those earths to just be plucked out of their native universes and start occupying the same space. When those earths start occupying the same space, everything surrounding them (the rest of their universe) will be doing the same thing as well. That's how i see it, at least.

Originally posted by operator616
Yeah, but that was just because Spectre was weakening due to anti matter man's presence.

We see that he is weakened in the prior issue:

http://i.imgur.com/KSPTxlq.jpg?1

And that's exactly what Fate mentions before giving him the amp:

http://i.imgur.com/9ots4Rz.jpg?1

That's also not to mention that the Spectre said that the amp was fading away:

http://i.imgur.com/rjr08MW.jpg?1

Originally posted by operator616
Still, id agree that this isn't a feat which we should gauge standard Spectre's power level.

Spectre's energies alone did not accomplish that feat, thus it cannot be accredited solely to his standard level of power.

^ I forgot to add: Spectre was holding those earths even before the amp. Just saying.

Also i want to post this because it's relevant:

We know that this showing happened in the 60s. But fact is, Spectre's power grew vastly over the years. Not only is this evident by his performances but it's been confirmed.

His bio says that his power grew vastly over the years:

http://i.imgur.com/NE41fis.jpg?1

And an on panel confirmation, in All Squadron annual #3, Zor says that the Spectre's power dwarfs his:

http://i.imgur.com/Yz7i7Vl.jpg?1

Despite the fact that in their original encounters, back in more fun comics, they looked like peers (ill post them if needed)

Originally posted by operator616
^ I forgot to add: Spectre was holding those earths even before the amp. Just saying.

Spectre sucks in other words.