Professor X mind attack!

Originally posted by operator616
Yeah, but that was just because Spectre was weakening due to anti matter man's presence.

We see that he is weakened in the prior issue:

http://i.imgur.com/KSPTxlq.jpg?1

And that's exactly what Fate mentions before giving him the amp:

http://i.imgur.com/9ots4Rz.jpg?1

That's also not to mention that the Spectre said that the amp was fading away:

http://i.imgur.com/rjr08MW.jpg?1

Still, id agree that this isn't a feat which we should gauge standard Spectre's power level.

His showing against ZHP is one of the best, who was confirmed to be able to re-create most of the infinite multiverse in 52 #7:

http://i.imgur.com/MLEz6Tw.jpg?1

Also, Spectre's fight with Michael in issue 10 (wherr Corrigan was his host, not when he was hostless who is weaker) he gave Spectre a good fight, which is an impressive feat.

Apart from that, the best thing happened to the Spectre post-crisis was the Logoz, which he merged with in 2001. This allowed him to access the power of the Presence. One example you should be familiar with, is the JLA/Spectre Soul war where he tapped into that power.

Another example where he tapped into the power of the Logoz and went to channel the most powerful energy in all the universes (which is apparently prayer) to end the Quoex (a thousand specifies united into one which were also leeching Spectre's own powers), in Spectre v4 #17:

http://i.imgur.com/qv6zjMY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mHGFtHl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ui30UKw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f9GxZWI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jEstuit.jpg

"the power of presence himself lives within me" (through the Logoz):

in the last issue, we see the spectre bring forth a new creation:

http://i.imgur.com/AsTJAiU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TNzgCjN.jpg

There's also that time i recall where it's mentioned that Spectre's temple leads to other alternate realities and that's where he sends his countless aspects (controlled by Spectre-prime), but i couldn't find that instance (i re-checked every issue of v4 and still couldn't find it), ill recheck again later on.

As for Telepathy/mind abilities, that's not the Spectre's strong suit tbh. Just to mention his track record against Batman:

Batman outperformed the Spectre in JLA/Spectre soul war on more than 1 occasion when resisting the trans, he also held his own against him in DC 2000; he couldn't erase batman's memories at the end of Emperor Joker arc (those memoeries were eventually regained by Batman in the following issues of Action Comics in his conversation with superman); something similar happened with Batman in a flash comic regarding his identity.

But anyway, if you want his best feat in terms of mind control, that would be the Final Crisis: Revelations showing, in which he remade the world in Darkseid's name (mindraping everyone) by citing the ALE in an instant.

apart from the things already mentioned, he was also killed during that instance:

http://i.imgur.com/Ou5j8aj.jpg?1

.....and didn't appear for 4 years, so...

The Spectre was in an "invisible dimension" holding the barriers which separate the 2 earths so that they won't occupy the same space.

It doesn't make sense for those earths to just be plucked out of their native universes and start occupying the same space. When those earths start occupying the same space, everything surrounding them (the rest of their universe) will be doing the same thing as well. That's how i see it, at least.

Originally posted by operator616
^ I forgot to add: Spectre was holding those earths even before the amp. Just saying.

Also i want to post this because it's relevant:

We know that this showing happened in the 60s. But fact is, Spectre's power grew vastly over the years. Not only is this evident by his performances but it's been confirmed.

His bio says that his power grew vastly over the years:

http://i.imgur.com/NE41fis.jpg?1

And an on panel confirmation, in All Squadron annual #3, Zor says that the Spectre's power dwarfs his:

http://i.imgur.com/Yz7i7Vl.jpg?1

Despite the fact that in their original encounters, back in more fun comics, they looked like peers (ill post them if needed)

I would actually say that in those earlier appearances Zor was superior. For one thing Spec had to call on the "voice" just to help him find Zor. In the meteor throwing in space they looked on par, but there was also the fact that Zor completely immobilized Spec as he entered through the walls of a building. It was all stated to be Zor's greater experience as I recall.

Maybe we should start a separate thread to continue the Spectre power discussion rather than derail this one any further

I find spectre and mxy reconstructing all of time and space pretty badass too.

http://i.imgur.com/9mm7VJC.jpg

"Not just your universe, everything that is, was or will be."

Superman has resisted much stronger telepathy than Xavier's.
But, He was contolled by weaker telepath such as Maxwell.
Which feat is more important?

Originally posted by beatboks
I would actually say that in those earlier appearances Zor was superior. For one thing Spec had to call on the "voice" just to help him find Zor. In the meteor throwing in space they looked on par, but there was also the fact that Zor completely immobilized Spec as he entered through the walls of a building. It was all stated to be Zor's greater experience as I recall.

Maybe we should start a separate thread to continue the Spectre power discussion rather than derail this one any further

Yeah, i remember Spectre needing help from "the voice" (who wasn't the Presence back then), so yes i suppose you're right.

Also, something noteworthy, is that in seven soldiers -- despite his statement in All-Star Squadron -- Zor directly contradicts it by hinting his power is at least comparable to the Spectre, when he says "i brought the wrath of God to his knees" (funny thing is that Spectre wasn't even the Wrath of God back then in their encounters.......)

Originally posted by abhilegend
I find spectre and mxy reconstructing all of time and space pretty badass too.

I didn't post that mostly because i think this feat was done by Mxy alone. Because:

1. DC comics year by year, credits Mxy alone for rebuilding reality:

http://i.imgur.com/Vr9igaF.jpg?1

2. And on panel, in your own scan, the Spectre says that he supervised the imp's work:

http://i.imgur.com/yMAYcps.jpg?1

Originally posted by CatL18
Superman has resisted much stronger telepathy than Xavier's.
But, He was contolled by weaker telepath such as Maxwell.
Which feat is more important?

****ing insane.

Originally posted by operator616
Yeah, i remember Spectre needing help from "the voice" (who wasn't the Presence back then), so yes i suppose you're right.

Also, something noteworthy, is that in seven soldiers -- despite his statement in All-Star Squadron -- Zor directly contradicts it by hinting his power is at least comparable to the Spectre, when he says "i brought the wrath of God to his knees" (funny thing is that Spectre wasn't even the Wrath of God back then in their encounters.......)

I didn't post that mostly because i think this feat was done by Mxy alone. Because:

1. DC comics year by year, credits Mxy alone for rebuilding reality:

http://i.imgur.com/Vr9igaF.jpg?1

2. And on panel, in your own scan, the Spectre says that he supervised the imp's work:

http://i.imgur.com/yMAYcps.jpg?1

^ my argument isn't just based on a bio; i also added an on panel scan. That Mxy statement says that they worked together to rebuilt reality, which is true........Mxy rebuilt it, and Spectre supervised it. Nothing there contradicts what i said.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I find spectre and mxy reconstructing all of time and space pretty badass too.

http://i.imgur.com/9mm7VJC.jpg

"Not just your universe, everything that is, was or will be."

http://i.imgur.com/QPLmrlc.jpg

After all, Mxy instantly remade DC's infinitude during World's Funnest:
http://imgur.com/0RpevlW
http://imgur.com/ydKRN2z
...Yet it took him 5 hours to remake creation in the wake of EJ's tangent. Crazy.

It's worth noting that Joker was merging all creation into a single point of infinity gravity(a singularity):
http://imgur.com/GsRoygn
...Not unlike Darkseid was doing in FC, but on a much larger scale.

It's also worth noting that the extent of Joker's cosmic damage transcended the prime multiverse, and extended into the higher dimensional planes as well:
http://imgur.com/Mdq1s25
"All five dimensions gone haywire."

And as we know, higher dimensional planes(like the 4th and 5th dimensions) are infinitely larger than the prime 3rd dimension/multiverse.

Originally posted by operator616
^ my argument isn't just based on a bio; i also added an on panel scan. That Mxy statement says that they worked together to rebuilt reality, which is true........Mxy rebuilt it, and Spectre supervised it. Nothing there contradicts what i said.

Aside from Spectre flat-out stating that he merely "supervised" Mxy's work, he[Mxy] also took sole credit for reconstructing existence here...

"I admitted I goofed! No fair rubbing my nose in the Joker's madness! I made ALL the arrangements to restore the cosmic status quo! I did ALL that could be done!":
http://imgur.com/jzx1OdG

It was also alluded to here...

Joker: Why doesn't anyone remember when I was the Emperor of everything?!"
Mxy: "They don't remember because I don't want them to remember.":
http://i.imgur.com/37xUxEw.jpg

^ 👆

I've to say, Loeb whining that Emperor Joker was never collected in a trade paperback was quite funny.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, it gives me a much deeper appreciation as to how thoroughly EJ mucked up creation.

After all, Mxy instantly remade DC's infinitude during World's Funnest:
http://imgur.com/0RpevlW
http://imgur.com/ydKRN2z
...Yet it took him 5 hours to remake creation in the wake of EJ's tangent. Crazy.

It's worth noting that Joker was merging all creation into a single point of infinity gravity(a singularity):
http://imgur.com/GsRoygn
...Not unlike Darkseid was doing in FC, but on a much larger scale.

It's also worth noting that the extent of Joker's cosmic damage transcended the prime multiverse, and extended into the higher dimensional planes as well:
http://imgur.com/Mdq1s25
"All five dimensions gone haywire."

And as we know, higher dimensional planes(like the 4th and 5th dimensions) are infinitely larger than the prime 3rd dimension/multiverse.

👆

Aside from Spectre flat-out stating that he merely "supervised" Mxy's work, he[Mxy] also took sole credit for reconstructing existence here...

"I admitted I goofed! No fair rubbing my nose in the Joker's madness! I made ALL the arrangements to restore the cosmic status quo! I did ALL that could be done!":
http://imgur.com/jzx1OdG

It was also alluded to here...

Joker: Why doesn't anyone remember when I was the Emperor of everything?!"
Mxy: "They don't remember because I don't want them to remember.":
http://i.imgur.com/37xUxEw.jpg

fastnuts

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've to say, Loeb whining that Emperor Joker was never collected in a trade paperback was quite funny.

Tbh, it probably was considering the EJ arc concluded in 2000, and 6 years later(when S/B #25 was released) still wasn't slated to be released in TPB format.

mmm..... Mxy steps into the real world yet again. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, a TPB collecting the EJ arc wasn't released until 2007-- roughly a year after S/B #25... Makes you wonder if Loeb/Mxy's blurb in that comic is what pressed DC to get that TPB going.

Tbh, it probably was considering the EJ arc concluded in 2000, and 6 years later(when S/B #25 was released) still wasn't slated to be released in TPB format.

mmm..... Mxy steps into the real world yet again. 👆

👆

Interesting thing, Corrigan spectre was only at half power for most of his existence.

mmm

Meh, that's basically a way for DC to try and justify some of Spectre's low showings with a half-ass/piss-poor explanation.

That's akin to what Starlin did with Thanos.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, that's basically a way for DC to try and justify some of Spectre's low showings with a half-ass/piss-poor explanation.

That's akin to what Starlin did with Thanos.

👆

It means Spectre was at half power when he was performing those uber feats.

excellent

So all those previous statements in which Spectre was stated to wield "infinite energy" or w/e... You think he was intended to be at half power?

So what level of power does he possess iyo? Infinity^2?

More like Infinity squared. The Spectre doesn't really know his mathematical nomenclature.

Originally posted by Galan007
So all those previous statements in which Spectre was stated to wield "infinite energy" or w/e... You think he was intended to be at half power?

So what level of power does he possess iyo? Infinity^2?

durw00t

Honestly facing down people like COIE AM and ZH Parallax at less than full power is just too much. To think people think he is comparable to ****ing Odin and Galactus.

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yup. Infinityx2=teh win.

durw00t

Honestly facing down people like COIE AM and ZH Parallax at less than full power is just too much. To think people think he is comparable to ****ing Odin and Galactus.

😂

Context.

Galactus isn't getting his head beat in by Supergirl and the Flash.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Flash and Supergirl didn't seem that bad against Coie Am. Am only had the heroes power against the Spectre as well.m

Context.

Galactus isn't getting his head beat in by Supergirl and the Flash.

👆