Midnighter/Colossus vs Luke Cage/Spiderman: Amalgam Battle 16

but has he been up against someone like Spidey with his sort of prescience

The battle comp can't work wothout knowing of it because instead of "millions" of possibilities there could be billions or even trillions

He calculates billions, on average.

Then there was the time he was fighting a ship full of xenomorph like aliens, and it was calculating billions of calculations for every one of them.

Also:

I misspoke; it was a million opponents, and a million outcomes:

yeah that why i said that there will be way more calcs

it would help if we knew how he reacted to prescience

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
yeah that why i said that there will be way more calcs

it would help if we knew how he reacted to prescience

Way more.....but his computer is able to do it.

Whereas all Peter Cage's abilities would tell him is that an attack is coming, and he can(?) react to it. Wouldn't tell him the nature of the attack, especially since he has no idea what Midnitolossus can do.

Whereas Midnitolossus' powers (depending on the writer) work backwards, which is the most important thing.

So say the outcome is that he Door's Peter Cage's head off (very likely, as Midnitolossus is way more bloodlusted than Peter Cage).

This means Peter Cage should be standing at point X, on Peter's left.
This means Peter needs to jump left.
This means that Midnitolossus needs to throw a kick to make Peter dodge left.

Midnitolossus throws a kick at Peter. He dodges, and jumps left - right where the door is.

Maybe Peter doesn't dodge left, but jumps straight up? This is where the computer comes in. But it all works towards the final outcome, of Peter getting Door'ed.

Etc etc. In reality, if Midnitolossus figures out Peter has a low level presience power, he could use it to his advantage.

So there are no showings of him against it? The prescience I mean.

None that I can think of. There was the Renegade Doctor, I guess...and Seth potentially had it.

But the presience of the scale of Peter isn't really that much of an advantage, once Midnighter figures it out (and he would).

Their abilities sort of cancel each other out. Both will see all the attacks coming. I doubt that the door work will work.

Both will see attacks coming, but Midnighterlossus is stronger/more durable, and in the same ball park of speed and agility. Also much more vicious and brutal which will give him a serious edge.

Pete, especially WOTS, and Cage are a match for Midnighter and Colossus respectively and individually so it isn't that much if a difference

I made Midnighter's and Spidey's matches on purpose cos off the way I know Spidey can even the gap between them

Cage is not a match for Colossus. He will get some good hits in and get overwhelmed.

Neither is Spidey really a match for a bloodlusted Mids.

He is not a match, Spidey is his.. superior..

See what I did there?

Also the lack of strength and durability is compensated by SM's speed and agility. Plus Cage's durability is not that much below Piotr's. So its mostly strength against speed.
As for spider sense at its best it not just warns him of the attack but guides his body out of harms way as well as lets him sense the nature of the attack and where its coming from. And ever since he got his MA training it pretty much guides his attacks and counter attacks. Ill post some scans as soon as I get back from London.

Cage needs a better partner to fuse with.

Ill fuse my boot to your a$$ if you dont stop downplaying Spidey.😠 😛

Originally posted by SamZED
Ill fuse my boot to your a$$ if you dont stop downplaying Spidey.😠 😛

My a$$ would break your scrawny little foot, buglover 😛

Originally posted by SamZED
He is not a match, Spidey is his.. superior..

See what I did there?

Also the lack of strength and durability is compensated by SM's speed and agility. Plus Cage's durability is not that much below Piotr's. So its mostly strength against speed.
As for spider sense at its best it not just warns him of the attack but guides his body out of harms way as well as lets him sense the nature of the attack and where its coming from. And ever since he got his MA training it pretty much guides his attacks and counter attacks. Ill post some scans as soon as I get back from London.

London Schmondon....

With regards to speed, Midnighter has dealt with speedsters before. I wager it's the same way he will deal with spider sense - with his battle computer.

It's essentially a more extreme version of the spider sense, if (as I am taking it) it's the one that works backwards from a desired solution. The Spider sense is reactive - you are going to throw a punch with your right hand, so it will move you out of the way/block/dodge. Had I not thrown the punch, you would not have leapt in that direction.

With the battle computer, however, it can be used proactively. Your dodging of my initial punch merely set you up to be in a vulnerable position to get kicked, for example. Or door'ed.

Incidentally, the computer also tells him his opponents' enhancements etc. So he WILL know at a glance what Peter Cage can do.

That's true but at the end of the day they'll be just trading attacks and there is no scenario where MN's attack can get undetected by ss. Even after MN calculates SM's movement to land a hit or open the door SM will still sense it and act accordingly. That's how he's able to keep his ditance and avoid multiple attackers coming from every direction. He's also dealt with speedster and teleporters. Even teleporters armed with guns who used to pop up behind him while pulling the trigger. That makes for a very interesting and even elegant fight. The difference is Spider-Cage has tech that can handicap Midnigholossus movement options givving Luke-Man an advantage.

Midnigholossus plays Spidercage like a fiddle setting him up for an attack he can`t avoid then BAM lights out.

Originally posted by SamZED
That's true but at the end of the day they'll be just trading attacks and there is no scenario where MN's attack can get undetected by ss. Even after MN calculates SM's movement to land a hit or open the door SM will still sense it and act accordingly. That's how he's able to keep his ditance and avoid multiple attackers coming from every direction. He's also dealt with speedster and teleporters. Even teleporters armed with guns who used to pop up behind him while pulling the trigger. That makes for a very interesting and even elegant fight. The difference is Spider-Cage has tech that can handicap Midnigholossus movement options givving Luke-Man an advantage.

But would it enable him to change direction, say in mid air?

I'm asking this because in my head, the scenario I am seeing is MN FORCES Peter Cage to commit himself to a certain movement. Much like a chess match, where the chess master has played the entire game backwards to the start..you can only have so many options before you HAVE to act according to how he's forcing you to act. Sure, you can see the trap being laid for you as clear as day, but you have no other option but to move your pieces as he has predicted.