Midnighter/Colossus vs Luke Cage/Spiderman: Amalgam Battle 16

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But would it enable him to change direction, say in mid air?

I'm asking this because in my head, the scenario I am seeing is MN FORCES Peter Cage to commit himself to a certain movement. Much like a chess match, where the chess master has played the entire game backwards to the start..you can only have so many options before you HAVE to act according to how he's forcing you to act. Sure, you can see the trap being laid for you as clear as day, but you have no other option but to move your pieces as he has predicted.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Midnigholossus plays Spidercage like a fiddle setting him up for an attack he can`t avoid then BAM lights out.

Originally posted by SamZED
Well of the top of my head I can think of two (there are a lot more) occasions when he's done exactly that. In mid air. And with his overall abilities and forewarning I dont see why not. And even when MN calculates what he needs to do there are so many options for him to put SM in a position where he can only move in one particular direction. MN is good but he's just one guy and itmakes it difficult to put someone in a corner figuratively speaking. Especially if this someone is Pete with his long established history of avoiding traps, attacks etc

Agreed. Problem for Peter Cage is, Mids has done it before, with a million bugs all out to kill him, and he was running his 'million outcomes' at the same time. Fighting one guy wouldn't be too much issue. Especially as the sense relies on instinct:

Yes, you might think I weaken my argument with that scan - but my point was that Mids' abilities are different from reading your opponent. Without thinking about it, and facing a guy like Mids, it would be relatively easy for him to trip up when switching himself off and fighting on instinct....

Midnighter #7 explains it brilliantly.

The entire comic is a one-shot, and takes place in reverse order, with 'The End'. And show how it all works backwards.

http://www.comicvine.com/midnighter-7-fait-accompli/4000-109153/

Also, maxitovepowe, it says how he uses TRILLIONS of calculations, not just millions or billions.

.

It doesn't matter if Midnighter get a lick in though...Spidey Pete will be durable enough to take it. Also, Midnighter is far away from being unhittable as well.

Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't matter if Midnighter get a lick in though...Spidey Pete will be durable enough to take it. Also, Midnighter is far away from being unhittable as well.

What if it wasn't a lick, though? Midnighter can see what enhancements Peter Cage has. He'll know a punch won't end the fight.

A door, however, would.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
.

And its not just instincts. Ever since his training he relies on MA skills. Spider sense merely makes him even more effective. Those villains all have spider powers BTW.

Here's a scan that falls well into this thread. No spider sense. An opponent with matching stats, MA training and most importantly the ability to KNOW future. Unlike MN who just calculates scenarios and makes them happen she knows EXACTLY what he's about to do and still cant land a single hit. Again, that's without Pete's spider sense and before he finished his training and he's not using any tech either.

Originally posted by SamZED

Here's a scan that falls well into this thread. No spider sense. An opponent with matching stats, MA training and most importantly the ability to KNOW future. Unlike MN who just calculates scenarios and makes them happen she knows EXACTLY what he's about to do and still cant land a single hit. Again, that's without Pete's spider sense and before he finished his training and he's not using any tech either.

Good scans, 👆 Didn't know about the Madame Web one, so thanks for that. I'll be busting it out next time I see a Spidey battle for sure.

See, I STILL have to disagree with it being equal to Mids. Similar, yes, but the crucial difference here is that Mids is actively pushing you towards the outcome that he has in mind. Every kick, punch or move is designed to set you up towards the final outcome.

Incidentally, how did that fight end?

@Dark...

If we look at fts, Spiderman spider sense outperforms Midnighters Prec...that's if we look at fts. Don't see how anyone would think Midnighters abilities is above Spidermans. Spiderman by far is one of the most unpredictable, UN-hittable character in comics and that includes when he is in the air.

OP, does Spiderlossus have webbing here.?

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...

If we look at fts, Spiderman spider sense outperforms Midnighters Prec...that's if we look at fts. Don't see how anyone would think Midnighters abilities is above Spidermans. Spiderman by far is one of the most unpredictable, UN-hittable character in comics and that includes when he is in the air.

OP, does Spiderlossus have webbing here.?

Again, I refer to the million bugs and a million outcomes:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8256/m18yk8.jpg

Do we really think Spidey is THAT unpredictable that he can out smart a computer capable of running that many simulations in the midst of battle?

Or here, when Midnighter says how he performs trillions of variations....of the entire day. Not just of the next 10 or 20 seconds, but the entire day:

http://pics.livejournal.com/alchemy_hisoka/pic/007qcrw6.jpg

I'm assuming Peter Cage (not Spiderlossus) has his webbing. Which is why I assumed Midnitolossus had his doors etc.

Originally posted by SamZED
The scan doesnt weaken your argument but we both know for all the good showings there are always some bad ones. Doesnt take away from Spider's showings and doesnt mean MN can avoid million Spider-men because he's done it with million bugs, right? One A level martial artist can put up a fight and tag MN despite the computer. Same goes for Peteand his ss.
Still getting Pete in a position where he has no options to avoid an attack from a single opponent is no easy task.

And its not just instincts. Ever since his training he relies on MA skills. Spider sense merely makes him even more effective. Those villains all have spider powers BTW.

Here's a scan that falls well into this thread. No spider sense. An opponent with matching stats, MA training and most importantly the ability to KNOW future. Unlike MN who just calculates scenarios and makes them happen she knows EXACTLY what he's about to do and still cant land a single hit. Again, that's without Pete's spider sense and before he finished his training and he's not using any tech either.

That third image, is it from when he tooled White Rabbit and those other two (i can't remember who) when he was with Carly/Carli (can't remember which{I'm on my phone so image doesn't show up clearly})

I completely forgot bout the Madame Web showing and iirc DCNu Midnighter's powers work more like prescience know then they did before (this if coming from wikipedia so excuse me if in mistaken)

Oh wait, its DCnU Mids?

Nah just realised it makes it unfair

Nah just realised it makes it unfair and you've been arguing pre boot Mids anyway

So apart from bfr is there any other way anyone sees him winning?

Colossus has shown he's strong enough to beat Spidey to a pulp(As the Phoenix, but he showed no amping while he did so). And he'd be strong enough to do the same to Spidey Cage, especially with Mids physical stats amping him.

There's also the fact that Midnighter+Colossus is a much bigger speed/agility boost than Spidey+Cage. Midnighter and Spidey are in the same speed class and agility range imo, and Colossus is pretty high up there as well, with his speed actually being enhanced in metal form and being shown on panel several times.

It probably won't be a quick fight, but Midnightlossus is physically higher.

That was the worst arguament that you could have used against Spidey

He stayed behind in a cave with 2 nigh unstoppable Gods and was the only one who managed to leave there conscious

That was the worst arguament that you could have used against Spidey

He stayed behind in a cave with 2 nigh unstoppable Gods and was the only one who managed to leave there conscious

Colossus was holding back when he was beating on him. Magik and both of them knew he could have killed him at any time.

And you act like Spidey beat them or something. He used the fact that the Phoenix was corrupting their values and he made them turn on each other.