Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I am jealous of your grandparents uber fortune.Also, it's a heavy commitment to get a Bachelor's in Nursing unless you're able to live with someone and pretty much not work. In fact, the MUSC orientation on Nursing as well as the Trident Tech one pretty much says as much.
Even if you have say, an Associate of Science, Health Science emphasis (two year degree, 60+ credit hours) and you nail it, then you have to take the core Nursing courses which, being required to be taken sequentially, are about 4-5 semesters in addition, and then another 2 years of fulltime to get your Bachelor's. God help you if you work full time, as it'll take forever. If you try to skip the pre-requisites by taking say, the TEAS test or something, you have to really nail it to get enough points to surpass those who already have a high GPA in their pre-requisite courses. The national average is about 74-75%, last I checked.
Investing in Nursing is a very long term commitment and the rejection rate, even for above average students, is very high. I also see day to day (as I work at a local college) students failing Nursing courses and being unable to stay in the program after years of classes and money spent, or worse - those who had to retake a class more than once and were barred from the program permanently.
Again, I don't disagree with your point but I just want to say from the POV of someone who helps people with admissions, registration and orientation almost daily, there are a lot of people trying for nursing who are struggling, and a lot who can't make it at all.
A girl I used to date was about 10 IQ points away from being "mentally retarded": 80-ish and the SB 4. She was in LD classes most of her life. But, she made it through nursing school and she didn't get special accommodations, either. But, she busted her ass and studied for hours and hours. That's probably the difference (her parents didn't pay for her education, either) between succeeding and not succeeding.
Originally posted by dadudemon
A girl I used to date was about 10 IQ points away from being "mentally retarded": 80-ish and the SB 4. She was in LD classes most of her life. But, she made it through nursing school and she didn't get special accommodations, either. But, she busted her ass and studied for hours and hours. That's probably the difference (her parents didn't pay for her education, either) between succeeding and not succeeding.
Hard work can definitely be one factor in success, but it's not the only one. Nor imo the most sure one.
Originally posted by dadudemonI know a guy from the Philippines who's trained as a nurse. Nurses there only make about $10 a day, so he immigrated here to work part-time, minimum-wage at a department store. His family back home considers him rich.
Nurses are still in demand mad crazy: still massive shortages many places in the US. So much so that they are being heavily recruited even before they finish nursing school (check the link I posted).
Originally posted by Bardock42
Hard work can definitely be one factor in success, but it's not the only one. Nor imo the most sure one.
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There's support structure, the ability to focus just on schooling if possible, and more that determines success, not just 'hard work'. I've seen bright people trying to work a full time job, do their demanding classes, and juggle family and end up coming short.
While exceptions exist, and people who achieve much in the face of adversity are truly awesome, it shouldn't be only the exceptional that get a chance in a growing job field. That kind of defeats the point.
Get of the nursing debate, for real. Not everyone can be a nurse, not everyone wants to be a nurse, and if we could all be nurses, then who's's going to do all the other jobs in this world.
Why can't we tax the rich corporations to supply the money in the system where it is lacking?
Originally posted by Jynocidus
thats why i said get rid of all forms of currency earliereven physicists say money is primitive
Can you control inflation with a digital currency better then a physical?
How do we fix America? Maaan, that's the EASIEST damn question and i'm so frackin tired of hearing it asked. See the problem here lies in the damn question itself. IF you're askin the question then your apart of the damn problem cuz you don't already know. See, the simplest solution is to kill all the AmeriCANTS, then we can all be livin right in a Merica that CAN get shit done. However, by askin the question you aint gettin nothin done, you just becomin another Americant. So stop askin that dumb ass question and start gettin stuff dun. See this here is why the rest the world think Mericans is so damn primordial. We got more than one cells in us lets start usin them people. Sheeit, now you gonna get me started and imall have to start runnin in offices's.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
How do we fix America? Maaan, that's the EASIEST damn question and i'm so frackin tired of hearing it asked. See the problem here lies in the damn question itself. IF you're askin the question then your apart of the damn problem cuz you don't already know. See, the simplest solution is to kill all the AmeriCANTS, then we can all be livin right in a Merica that CAN get shit done. However, by askin the question you aint gettin nothin done, you just becomin another Americant. So stop askin that dumb ass question and start gettin stuff dun. See this here is why the rest the world think Mericans is so damn primordial. We got more than one cells in us lets start usin them people. Sheeit, now you gonna get me started and imall have to start runnin in offices's.
Learn how to write first then maybe we can start.
I like the sentiment of the OP...you're worried, so what can we do? It's noble. But it's also surface level thinking. You manage to group lending laws, tax laws, Obamacare, middle class economic disparity, layoffs in certain sectors, manufacturing trends, and a few others...into ONE post. Fix that?! Each one of those is worth novels (plural) of discussion and analysis. Sure, some are related, but each has innumerable factors feeding into it. And the OP also begs the question by supposing each of them IS a problem. He may be right, he may not, or he may be ignorant of other factors that mitigate the criticism he levels toward Amercia...but in any case it's intellectually disingenuous to presuppose it. See my earlier post (pg. 2) for the beginnings of the argument that maybe things aren't actually so f---ed.
It's why I don't take part in most political discussions, at least economic ones. "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know," or similar aphorisms, are particularly true in this case.
It's also why I feel like the only honest answer to "fixing" much of it is indirectly through education. Promote education, promote critical thinking. If we stopped mucking about with a lot of this other stuff and focused almost solely on that, many problems would fade away and in, say, 30 years we'd be in an even better place than we are now. In the meantime, though, we're largely mired at every level (and on both sides) in biased, shallow, sound-bitey analysis. This thread, unfortunately enough, seems no better. A Republican author and thinker went on Jon Stewart recently and blew peoples' minds with his rational and nuanced analysis of problems from a conservative perspective (wish I remembered his name). Stewart's comment was that liberals didn't need to hear that, Republican politicians do. It was a telling comment for numerous reasons, and I think encapsulates much of the problem succinctly.