12 rounds with Wildcat

Originally posted by namorsubby
Yeah.....much better....then anyone. Like I said, cap has armor to assist his durability feats, Ted doesn't. Cap has a shield to protect him, Ted doesn't. What Ted has done physically without assistance can match up with cap excluding healing, stamina, and speed(Ted also had amazing speed feats). I don't care that Ted is human and cap is "peak human". Look what this guy does unassisted with pure h2h routinely. Ted can school cap in pure boxing. Ted beat a room full of fighters endowed with his own boxing prowess collectively. They were not enhanced like cap, but still. Im not even saying cap doesn't have a good chance of winning due to physical superiority....I'm saying you guys are doing what you always do. Writing a character off and saying cap would crush him because he's cap and this is kmc....and also maybe due to a general lack of knowledge on a much more obscure character.

Except I know Wildcat as well (see previous 9 lives comment).

You yourself admitted, Ted can match up to Cap EXCLUDING healing, stamina, and speed.

Three rather important factors going over 12 rounds.

He actually is immortal and will always resurrect unless killed nine times in rapid succession. Hes already died more than nine times.

Healing isn't much of a factor because cap didn't heal so rapidly like Slade or wolverine to where he'll visibly start to recover from wounds mid fight. Stamina would be a factor and so would speed. That is precisely why I said this:

Originally posted by namorsubby
8 9 and 10 could win after a good fight. That's it.

And I do mean could. Ted is so highly skilled in this particular fighting style that I consider all these guys rank amateurs in comparison. He contends with Bruce, who is much more skilled overall(and more skilled than cap according to on panel evidence and not statements) due to his boxing.

Originally posted by namorsubby
He actually is immortal and will always resurrect unless killed nine times in rapid succession. Hes already died more than nine times.

Healing isn't much of a factor because cap didn't heal so rapidly like Slade or wolverine to where he'll visibly start to recover from wounds mid fight. Stamina would be a factor and so would speed. That is precisely why I said this:

And I do mean could. Ted is so highly skilled in this particular fighting style that I consider all these guys rank amateurs in comparison. He contends with Bruce, who is much more skilled overall(and more skilled than cap according to on panel evidence and not statements) due to his boxing.

So you think the skill gap is good enough for him to beat a guy is not only faster, but able to keep up this higher speed (footwork, dodging, hand speed etc) for longer than you can keep your own speed up?

And has a tiiiiiny HF whereby he could tank your punches better than an average boxer could?

TBH, we both largely agree. I just have Bane and Punisher there as well, because of their damage soak plus Bane's ridiculous strength.

Yes, because according to statements and feats.....cap doesn't have sh!t on Ted when it comes to boxing alone. None of these guys do.

Ted doesn't have stated enhanced healing, durability, speed, or strength. But he routinely displays it on panel except healing. Kingpin, KK, etc type deal. A human doesn't smash metal robots with his fists causing the impacted metal to shatter or kick off their metal legs with his flesh and bone legs. A human doesn't hold a large crocodiles mouth open when it's trying to snap shut on him. A human doesn't have the strength to ko enhanced superhumans or the speed to strike them in the first place. A human doesn't have the ability to not only survive but fight through any of several instances of damage that should be fatal. wildcat does

Id actually add Bane to that list as well even without venom. Punisher? Not so much

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman did it 2-3 times.

Which is silly, but Batman is the flagship character in DC along with Superman, so a little jobbing is expected. Losing to Wildcat though? The guys a Z lister for cripes sake.

Greatest boxer ever? Lol. Whatever. Even if DC claimed something silly like that, I hope everybody realizes that doesnt pertain to the Marvel universe.

Lol spoken like a true marvel slanted KMCer.

I won't attempt to reason with you. I'll just bask in satisfaction of knowing you can't provide a single shred of evidence to suggest that any character in comics is a more skilled boxer than Ted Grant, or even close.

To say Wildcat would win over Cap would basically be saying, he would be fast enough to avoid more hits than Cap would, would deal more damage to cap than vice versa, and would outlast him, all laughable notions.

Ok...so it's clear you don't believe that skill matters. In other words knowledge is not power and experience means nothing. Those are what I call laughable notions.

Because we all know Cap is some dude off the street with zero fighting skill

Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol spoken like a true marvel slanted KMCer.

I won't attempt to reason with you. I'll just bask in satisfaction of knowing you can't provide a single shred of evidence to suggest that any character in comics is a more skilled boxer than Ted Grant, or even close.

Lol. Your the one with the hard on for Wildcat. I'm just using common sense in believing the character with superhuman feats would win against a mere human here.

You just gave KK the win in a different thread. Am I supposed to take you serious?

KK is on a whole nother level. Not nearly the same.

Once again you are mistaken. Titles mean nothing. A lot of you here use this flawed logic. Oh Batmans "human" and caps "low meta" so automatically he gets the nod in every physical category. Ignoring the obviously superhuman feats Bruce accomplishes routinely. like I said before, Wildcat is nothing more than a man in a cat suit who uses his fists to pummel superhumans. His damage soak, strength, speed, all rival caps. Statements are just statements.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Because we all know Cap is some dude off the street with zero fighting skill

Originally posted by tkitna
I cant take any set of scans seriously that has Wildcat beating Grundy.

The thing that makes that particular issue of JSA classified hard to buy is the fact that Alan is present. Many think there are different versions of Grundy with differnt power levels which is simply wrong. One of Grundy's powers is that his body absorbs energy which he uses to enhance his physical stats. In one DC presents or bold and the Brave he actually manifested TK powers after absorbing too much radiation. He's particularly fond of magical energy but any for of energy enhances him. Subsequently when he faces more powerful opponents he becomes more powerful. When he fights a team steeped in energy he's a team buster.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Yes, because according to statements and feats.....cap doesn't have sh!t on Ted when it comes to boxing alone. None of these guys do.

Ted doesn't have stated enhanced healing, durability, speed, or strength. But he routinely displays it on panel except healing. Kingpin, KK, etc type deal. A human doesn't smash metal robots with his fists causing the impacted metal to shatter or kick off their metal legs with his flesh and bone legs. A human doesn't hold a large crocodiles mouth open when it's trying to snap shut on him. A human doesn't have the strength to ko enhanced superhumans or the speed to strike them in the first place. A human doesn't have the ability to not only survive but fight through any of several instances of damage that should be fatal. wildcat does

Id actually add Bane to that list as well even without venom. Punisher? Not so much

Originally posted by namorsubby
We all know...correction, I know that cap can't hold a candle to Ted in boxing and there's nothing on panel or otherwise to suggest he can.

Ted doesn't have nearly enough skill to overcome the massive physical advantages Cap has on him. There's only so many ways you can throw a fist and Cap has seen them all and then some.

Originally posted by namorsubby
His teammates consider him the best fighter in the world period.

Uhhh.... they do? Since when?

There's a couple JSAers I'd give the nod in a full martial arts match (though not a boxing match).

Originally posted by Q99
Uhhh.... they do? Since when?

There's a couple JSAers I'd give the nod in a full martial arts match (though not a boxing match).

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Who do you think would win between him and Shang Chi?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Ted doesn't have nearly enough skill to overcome the massive physical advantages Cap has on him. There's only so many ways you can throw a fist and Cap has seen them all and then some.

So your saying Captain America holds NO physical advantages over Wildcat? lol

Cap wins against Ted like Batman but to think its going to be easy is ridiculous. Ted knocked out Hawkman with a headbutt and Carter shits on Cap in stats.

Originally posted by namorsubby
We all know...correction, I know that cap can't hold a candle to Ted in boxing and there's nothing on panel or otherwise to suggest he can.