Older Women Seducing Underage Boys

Originally posted by Robtard
How's that any different to say a 14 year old female receiving oral from an older man? Especially considering females [generally] mature sexually faster than males.

What you're doing is trying to force a pedophilic double-standard.

Originally posted by SamZED
How is it different? So am I supposed to pretend (just so no one could accuse me of being sexist) that it's the same kind of experience for both genders? Can't think of many girls who'd brag about receiving an oral from an adult male at the age of 14. Can you? Yet, Personally know men who are proud of it happening to them at the age of 13-14.

Let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that it's going to be the same kind of experience for a boy and a girl in a long run?

It's not, is what I am saying. A male child being molested is no different than a female child being molested. That IS my point.

You're basing your claims on "14 year old boys bragging". That's ridiculous.

The potential for trauma is there, be it a boy or girl; why having this double-standard of yours is clownish.

Originally posted by SamZED
How is it different? So am I supposed to pretend (just so no one could accuse me of being sexist) that it's the same kind of experience for both genders? Can't think of many girls who'd brag about receiving an oral from an adult male at the age of 14. Can you? Yet, Personally know men who are proud of it happening to them at the age of 13-14. Let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that it's going to be the same kind of experience for a boy and a girl in a long run?

What a perv.

Originally posted by SamZED
How is it different? So am I supposed to pretend (just so no one could accuse me of being sexist) that it's the same kind of experience for both genders? Can't think of many girls who'd brag about receiving an oral from an adult male at the age of 14. Can you? Yet, Personally know men who are proud of it happening to them at the age of 13-14. Let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that it's going to be the same kind of experience for a boy and a girl in a long run?

P1. Some/most boys would brag, rendering the act not emotionally harmful.
P2. Some/most/all girls would not brag, indicating the reverse.
P3. No other possibilities considered.
Therefore, it's okay for boys but not girls.

"Logic".

What about a 300 lbs, 50 year old woman making a 14 year old boy give her a rim job. Is that something to brag about?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What about a 300 lbs, 50 year old woman making a 14 year old boy give her a rim job. Is that something to brag about?

This happened to you, didn't it? Sorry, man 🙁

Originally posted by Robtard
This happened to you, didn't it? Sorry, man 🙁

I wish! I could have bragged to everyone in school about that. 😘

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not, is what I am saying. A male child being molested is no different than a female child being molested. That IS my point.

You're basing your claims on "14 year old boys bragging". That's ridiculous.

The potential for trauma is there, be it a boy or girl; why having this double-standard of yours is clownish.

You are my hero, Rob.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not, is what I am saying. A male child being molested is no different than a female child being molested. That IS my point.

You're basing your claims on "14 year old boys bragging". That's ridiculous.

The potential for trauma is there, be it a boy or girl; why having this double-standard of yours is clownish.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
P1. Some/most boys would brag, rendering the act not emotionally harmful.
P2. Some/most/all girls would not brag, indicating the reverse.
P3. No other possibilities considered.
Therefore, it's okay for boys but not girls.

"Logic".

And just for lols:

http://youtu.be/-ZCektn32w8

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are my hero, Rob.

Your argument largely ignores all other context and focuses on the 'brag value' of the act. Other things that young kids would brag about which are illegal:

- Punching people in the face
- Drugs
- Beer
- Scratch off tickets
- Cigarettes and nicotine products
- Doing wheelies in the 7-11 parking lot.

Just because dudes wouldn't be as likely to engage in or brag about these activities versus girls doesn't make it legal for just one sex alone. Consistency is fairness before law. Gender exceptions are just asking for trouble.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Your argument largely ignores all other context and focuses on the 'brag value' of the act. Other things that young kids would brag about which are illegal:

- Punching people in the face
- Drugs
- Beer
- Scratch off tickets
- Cigarettes and nicotine products
- Doing wheelies in the 7-11 parking lot.

Just because dudes wouldn't be as likely to engage in or brag about these activities versus girls doesn't make it legal for just one sex alone. Consistency is fairness before law. Gender exceptions are just asking for trouble.

Originally posted by SamZED
bragging is not the point, simply illustrates that for most boys it's a different experience than it is for most girls which was my point

That doesn't address the other illegal instances I used as examples.

How the individual feels is largely irrelevant to the legality of the act. Legality is largely the issue here; morals are relative, and therefore stupid to debate in public.

I think it is very hard to figure out how the reaction of the teenagers in these cases would actually be, due to a lot of sexist stereotypes that they will be exposed to. For one, a female victim will be exposed to people pitying her or treating her like a victim, as well as possibly being treated as somehow damaged and deprived of their "innocence" or "virginity". A male victim on the other, even if considerably emotionally scared, will be celebrated and expected to like that this happened to him, likely making it very hard for him to speak out about his true feelings otherwise. I believe the issue is much more complex than you make it out to be, Sam, but at any rate, if we are going to have one set age of consent, there should not be a distinction based on sexist separations of genders.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
That doesn't address the other illegal instances I used as examples.

How the individual feels is largely irrelevant to the legality of the act. Legality is largely the issue here; morals are relative, and therefore stupid to debate in public.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think it is very hard to figure out how the reaction of the teenagers in these cases would actually be, due to a lot of sexist stereotypes that they will be exposed to. For one, a female victim will be exposed to people pitying her or treating her like a victim, as well as possibly being treated as somehow damaged and deprived of their "innocence" or "virginity". A male victim on the other, even if considerably emotionally scared, will be celebrated and expected to like that this happened to him, likely making it very hard for him to speak out about his true feelings otherwise. I believe the issue is much more complex than you make it out to be, Sam, but at any rate, if we are going to have one set age of consent, there should not be a distinction based on sexist separations of genders.

👆

Originally posted by SamZED
how do I address the legality part of your post? I'm aware it's illegal (in most countries anyway). I was talking about the effect this sort of experience typically has on both genders. Rob believes it's similar. I disagree.

Well, given that it is illegal to molest little girls and little boys because of legal precedent and not surveys handed out afterwards should have been your first clue.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Well, given that it is illegal to molest little girls and little boys because of legal precedent and not surveys handed out afterwards should have been your first clue.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think it is very hard to figure out how the reaction of the teenagers in these cases would actually be, due to a lot of sexist stereotypes that they will be exposed to. For one, a female victim will be exposed to people pitying her or treating her like a victim, as well as possibly being treated as somehow damaged and deprived of their "innocence" or "virginity". A male victim on the other, even if considerably emotionally scared, will be celebrated and expected to like that this happened to him, likely making it very hard for him to speak out about his true feelings otherwise. I believe the issue is much more complex than you make it out to be, Sam, but at any rate, if we are going to have one set age of consent, there should not be a distinction based on sexist separations of genders.

Originally posted by SamZED
...because the same kind of logic must be applied for both genders otherwise you're sexist... Right, fine, whatever.

Bragging is not the point, simply shows that boys have a different take on the whole thing. If it's a psychological trauma why brag?

Would you brag about being a rape victim? Say what you like, there's a much bigger chance that a boy would enjoy and even be proud of the experience than a girl and nothing I've seen in life or media suggests otherwise.

The difference between how this kind of experience effects both genders is clearly there even if you choose not to see it.

It is indeed sexist, but that's only [a big] part of the issue.

You're making blanket-claims that all 14 year old boys couldn't be traumetized from being molested by an older woman, when the fact remains not all kids react the same and ignores that it's still molestation.

As Bardock mentioned, the sexism issue could lead to a 14 year old boy bragging when he's really emotionaly (possibly physically) traumatized, because he's expected to and someone with your mindset might degrade him if he didn't "man-up" over it.

So by your set of views, if a 14 year old girl "bragged" or seemed in a general positive mood about being sodomized by a 50 year old man, that would not be molestation and/or okay. This is your argument.