Sun dipped superman vs worthy juggernaught

Cyttorak is above skyfather most likely.

Wait, are people putting the Juggernaut powers above a 5th of the Phoenix?

And acting like he couldn't have possibly been accessing that power as well?

Originally posted by jaxthejester
Cain is designed to be immune to non-magic damage.

Kuurth could only harm Juggs (and vice versa) for the same reason that the other Avatars could in 8th day- because of magic fueled power.

Originally posted by KingD19
No proof of that. In fact, the opposite is more likely. As he and Illyana went to Cyttorak personally and demanded he remove the Juggernaut powers. And then Cyttorak refused and sent them away. While he had the Phoenix power he probably completely ignored the Juggernaut abilities.

That's not normal colossus.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wait, are people putting the Juggernaut powers above a 5th of the Phoenix?

And acting like he couldn't have possibly been accessing that power as well?

You might want to get scans for this statement

We do have a Respect Thread area. It should be loaded with all you need.

Well, that and his official Marvel Handbook Bio. All of them.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
First of all, Superman clearly metabolizes solar energy with much more than 100% efficiency--might not make sense, but seems to be how it goes.
Superman didn't just catch some rays here. He totally transformed. He was a cosmic being. IT was dumb. I didn't like it. I don't think other writers would follow suit if he went to the Sun again, i.e. under most writers he'd just get a power boost and not a radical transformation.
That being said, if the OP insists on using this one portrayal, then dumb and illogical as it is, Superman is fricking ridiculously powerful.

I'm not debating that Superman was highly amped.

I'm debating that his punch did not pack the power of multiple Universe's behind it.

The radiating damage of a Multi-Versal punch that hits hard enough to K.O. a Multi-Versal being would wreck the very DCU that they are battling in.

He was amped. He hit very, very hard. But it was not a "multiple Universe's at once packed behind this one punch" strike.

So how come the debate here shifted to Sun dipped Superman Vs P5 Colossunaut?The name of the thread is Sun dipped Superman Vs Worthy Juggernaut.And with the "Worthy Juggernaut" in the title of this thread, I would assume that this is Kuurth+Juggernaut powers/Cytorrak enchantment or Juggernaut+Thor like powers/Serpent's enchantment(according to the Watcher in History Of The Marvel Universe).That's a lot of power wielded by Kuurth if that is the case.Take Thing who became Angrir breaker of stone.He gave Red Hulk(class 100) a severe beating.Regular Thing would be reduced to pebbles by Red Hulk in a normal fight.I think the only way to even hurt Kuurth+Cytorrak's enchantment is by magical means.And Superman no matter how Sun dipped wont succeed in knocking out Worthy Jugs.Unless someone could make an argument that Sun dipped Superman can overcome the enchantment of the Serpent's+Cytorrak's enchantment.Otherwise, Clark needs to find another way or approach to defeat Worthy Jugs.

Originally posted by Igniz
So how come the debate here shifted to Sun dipped Superman Vs P5 Colossunaut?The name of the thread is Sun dipped Superman Vs Worthy Juggernaut.And with the "Worthy Juggernaut" in the title of this thread, I would assume that this is Kuurth+Juggernaut powers/Cytorrak enchantment or Juggernaut+Thor like powers/Serpent's enchantment(according to the Watcher in History Of The Marvel Universe).That's a lot of power wielded by Kuurth if that is the case.Take Thing who became Angrir breaker of stone.He gave Red Hulk(class 100) a severe beating.Regular Thing would be reduced to pebbles by Red Hulk in a normal fight.I think the only way to even hurt Kuurth+Cytorrak's enchantment is by magical means.And Superman no matter how Sun dipped wont succeed in knocking out Worthy Jugs.Unless someone could make an argument that Sun dipped Superman can overcome the enchantment of the Serpent's+Cytorrak's enchantment.Otherwise, Clark needs to find another way or approach to defeat Worthy Jugs.

Superman's other sundip which was less than one minute was enough to kill Worloggog Vera Black.

Worloggog had seen it previously in her vision.

While previously she no sold a full on superman attack.

I'd imagine that's suffice to KTFO a weakened juggernaut+serpent's enchantment. After all we saw Colossus+Full juggernaut power+P5 get KTFO with much less power. And no, Red Hulk wouldn't reduce Thing to pebbles. His two fights with Thing are stalemates and neither is there a rule that only magic can affect Juggernaut. GTFO with that BS. Merged Hulk dropped Juggy to his knees with a punch.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers64.jpg

Thor has beat the shit out of him in less than one minute. Captain Universe beat him blue and black and sent his ass into coma. Onslaught oneshotted his ass. None of these were magical attacks and none of these are as powerful as sundipped superman.

Well, that sums that up. Supes wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or we going to assume Worthy Juggernaut is above anybody else based upon a fight with a loser rulk and Angrir? Superman while sundipped would've KILLED a universal abstract in Worloggog Vera Black with one punch.

[center]Superman's other sundip which was less than one minute was enough to kill Worloggog Vera Black.

Worloggog had seen it previously in her vision.

While previously she no sold a full on superman attack.

I'd imagine that's suffice to KTFO a weakened juggernaut+serpent's enchantment. After all we saw Colossus+Full juggernaut power+P5 get KTFO with much less power. And no, Red Hulk wouldn't reduce Thing to pebbles. His two fights with Thing are stalemates and neither is there a rule that only magic can affect Juggernaut. GTFO with that BS. Merged Hulk dropped Juggy to his knees with a punch.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers64.jpg

Thor has beat the shit out of him in less than one minute. Captain Universe beat him blue and black and sent his ass into coma. Onslaught oneshotted his ass. None of these were magical attacks and none of these are as powerful as sundipped superman.

I need to seem more scans of the Worloggog Vera Black scene for context.As for the scan of Merge Hulk dropping Jugs, I'm not sure, but people(Juggernaut fans in particular) have always pointed out Jugs was depowered or something during this time.I do know Cain has a history of pissing off Cyttorak.Unless we say Merged Hulk>>>>World War Hulk=fully powered Juggernaut 😄 Juggernaut fans and World War Hulk fans would scream biatch at you 😆

Thor temporarily undid Juggernaut's enchantment in their fight.As for Captain Universe, Spiderman w/ Captain Universe powers was stated to be the most powerful hero in the Marvel 1990's cards.So it still makes sense that Captain Universe can affect Juggernaut.I should have added Cosmical as another way to harm Jugs.This is Onslaught you're talking about.He later imprisons Juggernaut within the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak and defeats the X-Men.I don't think Cain was depowered during the time he was Kuurth.Here's a scan where Magik and Colossus visits Cyttorak to report Cain as being a traitor.You can see Cytorrak was happy at first.A happy Cytorrak means Cain is at full power.Until Magik pointed out the scriptures(I'll admit this one is funny)😂

As for the Colossunaut P5 and Magik P5 scene.Magik is the mistress of limbo.So she's packing a bit of power of her own.I think she later removed Colossus from being an avatar of Cytorrak.

The Vera black Scene does have context.

Originally posted by carver9
The Vera black Scene does have context.

? Been a while since I read JLE...

And what is the context?

Originally posted by Igniz
I need to seem more scans of the Worloggog Vera Black scene for context.

As for the Colossunaut P5 and Magik P5 scene.Magik is the mistress of limbo.So she's packing a bit of power of her own.I think she later removed Colossus from being an avatar of Cytorrak.

The context in Vera's scene is that Vera turned time back so that the punch never landed. The intent and the omniscient nature of worloogog was crystal clear that the punch would kill her. Carver just likes to run his mouth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
? Been a while since I read JLE...

She was hit by an attack with unlimited mass and acceleration and was injured by it...badly. This happened before the Superman punch.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot15_zps5b84b7cf.jpg.html?sort=9&o=163

I have the scan of the next page but photobucket is acting retarded right now but after this attack, she was oozing energy everywhere, mainly from her stomach area where the attack hit. Her body tried to reverse the affect but it was pretty much the end. I will keep tampering with photo bucket so that I can post the scan of the injury if you want.

I don't think SSJ Supes was really at LT or Multiversal level. Above Skyfather--significantly so. But not smashing universes with a punch.

How powerful does one need to be to beat Worthy Juggernaut, though?

How many times do I have to correct you carver? Batman didn't take her "injury" in account when he said Superman would kill her, neither did Batgirl and neither did Worloggog herself. Worloggog was hurt, not badly, not life threatening or anything which you are trying to paint it so. I mean come the **** on, I've silenced you half a dozen times on this now.

So the Supes lowballing continues I see. Supes wins.

I know ABHI is talking but if he can show me one scan of it being stated she healed from the universal attack she was hit by in my scan, then I will concede. After said attack, it was even stated multiples of times that she was weakened and needed to be taken out ASAP. Her physical makeup was even changing after this attack and again, she was oozing energy from the wound.

Originally posted by emporerpants
So the Supes lowballing continues I see. Supes wins.

Not lowballing, just speaking the truth.