Creation and God

Originally posted by Supra
Dude, that guys a kook, cmon now.

I demand to see the missing link in evolution.

I demand to see God.

Wait, evidence only works one way?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
How would you know that? Bardock's link is to a 14 minute YouTube video.

You've claimed you don't watch those.

Did Shaky shag your wife or something? You seem to have it out for him whenever you see him.

By the way, still awaiting your definition of 'natural principles', that in turn provide us with moral laws and belief systems. Good thing I didn't hold my breath.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I demand to see God.

Wait, evidence only works one way?

Did Shaky shag your wife or something? You seem to have it out for him whenever you see him.

By the way, still awaiting your definition of 'natural principles', that in turn provide us with moral laws and belief systems. Good thing I didn't hold my breath.

He LOVES me. I have told him that i am hetero, but it doesn't matter to him. 😆

Oh the irony...

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am aware that I also posted a video. But that's not what Shakya was referring to.

Bardock you have to agree that guy is a complete nut job, I actually learned something from the wiki link, but the video of him is flat out nuts.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Our eyes can see the visible spectrum - color waves

Our eyes cannot see Gamma waves, Radio waves, Ultraviolet waves or any other type of wave.

Well the supernatural is not seen because we cannot see those other forms of light.

Originally posted by Supra
Well the supernatural is not seen because we cannot see those other forms of light.

😆

CAN'T...STOP...LAUGHING

Edit: 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Supra
Well the supernatural is not seen because we cannot see those other forms of light.

No, supernatural is not found in radio waves or gamma rays. By definition, the supernatural cannot be found in nature, and electromagnetic radiation is natural.

So.... microwaves operate using supernatural means? Is this the stance we are now taking?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So.... microwaves operate using supernatural means? Is this the stance we are now taking?

That's where the dancing unicorns live. 😂

Sounds legit.

Originally posted by Digi
What you're talking about still isn't evidence. It's a (supposed) implication. Two different things entirely. Because I think at every turn, it screams no grand architect. But if that's my argument, we're both working with the same subjective bias and lack of evidence, so then we go to things like burden of proof, which still leaves the theistic argument out in the cold.

It's ok if you think this. I can't disprove it, per se, and your personal belief structure is more rational than many. Just know where it stands and how it lacks explanatory power.

I also wasn't addressing you in my earlier posts. Supra doesn't have a grasp on the scientific principles he's trying to invoke to prove his God. Or if he does, he's terrible at showing it. So my arguments were catered to his OP. They remain true in any context, imo, but again, you're welcome to present the evidence that would turn a belief in God from possible to plausible in the minds of the skeptical.

I disagree: I think the evidence I see is evidence, not implications, because of the way I am using the word "evidence."

"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

You look at the same set of evidence I do and it reaffirms your own idea or proposition as true and valid. For me, it is the opposite.

Edit - I know you were not addressing me. But, your statements are painted broadly enough that I can quote 1 of them and take it for what it is (in context) and not misconstrue your intended interpretation.

Originally posted by Supra
I mean all of creation that has eyes🙂 Sight is a miracle. To be blind, I could not bare it. Jesus went around healing the blind giving back what had been taken away.

How else could sight have been created if not from a being that has sight?

Can't you see the flaw here???

So back in "Jesus Times", people were BORN blind, handicapped & mentally retarded...

THEN Jesus comes around & cures them???!!!?

Why were they created/born deformed in the 1st place????

As you earlier stated, we were all created in the image of God.

Your ideals are flawed.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Can't you see the flaw here???

So back in "Jesus Times", people were BORN blind, handicapped & mentally retarded...

THEN Jesus comes around & cures them???!!!?

Why were they created/born deformed in the 1st place????

As you earlier stated, we were all created in the image of God.

Your ideals are flawed.

Sin creates imperfections and causes all flaws. Jesus healed the sick and said go and sin no more whenever he healed people.

Science itself doesn't point towards a God. Rather, its what science doesn't know that points toward a God - for people like Supra.

The universe is mysterious and people tend to fabricate supernatural explanations for its existence.

Originally posted by Supra
Sin creates imperfections and causes all flaws. Jesus healed the sick and said go and sin no more whenever he healed people.

Why did god create sin?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why did god create sin?

And why are innocent helpless babies recipients of the punishment of sin?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why did god create sin?

So we were not slaves and we had a free will to choose; perfection or non perfection.

"I GIVE YOU FREE WILL"

"ETERNAL PUNISHMENT BTW IF YOU CHOOSE WRONG".

#trollgod

Originally posted by Supra
So we were not slaves and we had a free will to choose; perfection or non perfection.

So, do you believe that god can create evil?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
And why are innocent helpless babies recipients of the punishment of sin?

I haven't a clue.