Superman vs. Ghost Rider

Originally posted by Psychotron
This is retarded. Absolutely 100% retarded. You should throw your PC out the window for writing so completely stupid. We saw the KO, it was when he was hit by 2 grenades, failed to get up, and the bad guys kidnapped the spawn of the Devil. There's your KO.

Originally posted by Psychotron

That's bullshit. The eyes of the victims of the Penance stare don't show anything in Spirit of Vengeance and you know it. Here's proof:
http://i.imgur.com/QjhuzTg.jpg

Originally posted by Psychotron

You must have some problem with reading comprehension. The Rider goes berserk when there's someone who has done something wrong around him, yes, but Superman has done nothing wrong. We've never seen Superman cheat on his midterms, we've never seen him download movies, we've never seen him do anything wrong. Ghost Rider has nothing to punish him for, he doesn't fit even his insane definition of wickedness.

Blaze openly admitted in his opening narrative that he had spent most of his time after becoming the Rider keeping the Rider's power repressed:
"See, there's good and bad in all of us. And maybe you're not a murderer, but you did something you wouldn't want the Rider to see. A white lie, an illegal download."
"I have tried to fight it, to hold it back, but the darkness inside me only grows stronger."
"That's why I had to run halfway across the world."

Moreau even spells it out:
"Zarathos was an angel, a Spirit of Justice who was sent to protect the world of men. But he was tricked, captured, brought down to hell, tortured. Driven insane. His mission to protect the innocent was protect the innocent was perverted into a lust to punish the guilty."
Pay attention to the last highlighted, underlined part.

All of this, coupled with him instantly leaping at the opportunity to get rid of the Rider when in the previous movie he was thrilled about using that power to fight evil tells us clear as day that the Rider's instinct was to go after people who's sin was something as insignificant as littering, but it was Blaze's sense of discretion and conscience that held him back. Aka a plot based inhibition. Plot-based inhibitions aren't valid in forum fights. Think.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No we didn't. We saw him getting knocked into a car with said car getting exploded, and then him subsequently waking up in a hospital. No KO was shown onscreen. We saw him waking under the previous Rider's care after reaching that special church. He wasn't KO'd then. SOrry, but you don't get to make up facts regarding what's shown onscreen or not.

No it's not. That guy was also burnt alive by hellfire in that scene. Context ftw.

No I don't but you certainly do. Lol, the Rider is always gnawing at Blaze's insides, always hungry, as Blaze explictly tells Nadia:
"This thing inside of me, it has no conscience, only hunger".

Blaze openly admitted in his opening narrative that he had spent most of his time after becoming the Rider keeping the Rider's power repressed:
"See, there's good and bad in all of us. And maybe you're not a murderer, but you did something you wouldn't want the Rider to see. A white lie, an illegal download."
"I have tried to fight it, to hold it back, but the darkness inside me only grows stronger."
"That's why I had to run halfway across the world."

Moreau even spells it out:
"Zarathos was an angel, a Spirit of Justice who was sent to protect the world of men. But he was tricked, captured, brought down to hell, tortured. Driven insane. [b]His mission to protect the innocent was protect the innocent was perverted into a lust to punish the guilty."
Pay attention to the last highlighted, underlined part.

All of this, coupled with him instantly leaping at the opportunity to get rid of the Rider when in the previous movie he was thrilled about using that power to fight evil tells us clear as day that the Rider's instinct was to go after people who's sin was something as insignificant as littering, but it was Blaze's sense of discretion and conscience that held him back. Aka a plot based inhibition. Plot-based inhibitions aren't valid in forum fights. Think. [/B]

No. The Rider was hit, there was an explosion, the bad guys took the kid, loaded him up in a car, Nadia was crying on ground, and during all of that the Rider didn't move. Next scene is him in a hospital. Clear KO. Stop trying to twist the scene.

He was being hit by the PS before the hellfire. His eyes were fine. In fact no one in this film had that happen to them.

Look, I get that. What you're not getting is this part: "a lust to punish the guilty". Keyword "guilty". As far as we know Superman is not guilty of anything. Feeling guilt is not the same as being guilty, I cannot stress that enough.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No. The Rider was hit, there was an explosion, the bad guys took the kid, loaded him up in a car, Nadia was crying on ground, and during all of that the Rider didn't move. Next scene is him in a hospital. Clear KO. Stop trying to twist the scene.

He was being hit by the PS before the hellfire. His eyes were fine. In fact no one in this film had that happen to them.

Look, I get that. What you're not getting is this part: "a lust to punish the guilty". Keyword "guilty". As far as we know Superman is not guilty of anything. Feeling guilt is not the same as being guilty, I cannot stress that enough.

It wasn't the PS though. We don't even see him scream as the others did with the faux PS in earlier scenes in the movie. It was hellfire. Just admit it and let it go.

So you're going to blatantly ignore every other piece of narrative evidence I posted and stick to one part which doesn't even support your hypothesis? Hypocrisy much? Evidence after evidence has been posted in support of my claims regarding the Rider's abilities, yet you continue to dispute it. I am not sure why.

Originally posted by Epicurus
And he wasn't shown to be KO'd. Blaze waking up in a hospital later on hardly means he was KO'd. Already pointed out another similar scene which one could take out of context from the previous movie.

It wasn't the PS though. We don't even see him scream as the others did with the faux PS in earlier scenes in the movie. It was hellfire. Just admit it and let it go.

So you're going to blatantly ignore every other piece of narrative evidence I posted and stick to one part which doesn't even support your hypothesis? Hypocrisy much? Evidence after evidence has been posted in support of my claims regarding the Rider's abilities, yet you continue to dispute it. I am not sure why.

So not getting up is not a KO? What was he doing then? Taking a nap? A dump? Was he just not feeling up to killing some bad guys that night? What?

You used that same scene as evidence of the paralyzing effect of the stare, yet now you're saying it's not? If that wasn't the stare, and Carrigan wasn't killed by the stare than I guess Ghost Rider never used it in all of SoV despite all the eye-contract there was in that movie. Works for me.

Why? Because it's wrong. Everyone in this thread knows that but go ahead. Try to prove that Superman is guilty of something, anything that would put him on GR's wicked list.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So not getting up is not a KO? What was he doing then? Taking a nap? A dump? Was he just not feeling up to killing some bad guys that night? What?

You used that same scene as evidence of the paralyzing effect of the stare, yet now you're saying it's not? If that wasn't the stare, and Carrigan wasn't killed by the stare than I guess Ghost Rider never used it in all of SoV despite all the eye-contract there was in that movie. Works for me.

Why? Because it's wrong. Everyone in this thread knows that but go ahead. Try to prove that Superman is guilty of something, anything that would put him on GR's wicked list.

Nope I didn't. Point out where I used the scene of the fight between demon-Carrigana and the Rider for arguing paralysis. Anyways, as we see in the previous movie as well, the PS paralyzes you once it's locked in.

Nope, because you don't want to admit it. I already cited Blaze's commentary:
"See, there's good and bad in all of us. And maybe you're not a murderer, but you did something you wouldn't want the Rider to see. A white lie, an illegal download."
And you continue to ignore it like a broken record. Awful. Just awful.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not shown, therefore speculation.

Nope I didn't. Point out where I used the scene of the fight between demon-Carrigana and the Rider for arguing paralysis. Anyways, as we see in the previous movie as well, the PS paralyzes you once it's locked in.

Nope, because you don't want to admit it. I already cited Blaze's commentary:
"See, there's good and bad in all of us. And maybe you're not a murderer, but you did something you wouldn't want the Rider to see. A white lie, an illegal download."
And you continue to ignore it like a broken record. Awful. Just awful.

Yes it was. Here's how it went down. 1 GR gets hit by the grenade, and the car explodes, 2 He doesn't move at all, 3 Bad guys take the kid, 4 they put him in the car, 5 they leave, 6 Nadia cries on the ground, while GR is still in the burning car, 7 he wakes up in the damn hospital and is clearly in pain. CLEAR KO.

No, I'm talking about the guy in the pic I posted. You said he was hit by the PS, then you backed out and said he was killed by hellfire.

Jesus Christ. Are you serious? I already I acknowledged that. Now what I want from you is some kind of proof that Superman fits into even that extremely rigid crime/punishment system. What has he done to be considered wicked by the Rider? Let his father die? No, he was obeying his request. Killed Zod? No, he did what he had to save lives, and punished the main evil-doer of the movie. Ghost Rider would high-five Clark for one.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes it was.

Originally posted by Psychotron

No, I'm talking about the guy in the pic I posted. You said he was hit by the PS, then you backed out and said he was killed by hellfire.

Originally posted by Psychotron

Jesus Christ. Are you serious? I already I acknowledged that. Now what I want from you is some kind of proof that Superman fits into even that extremely rigid crime/punishment system. What has he done to be considered wicked by the Rider? Let his father die? No, he was obeying his request. Killed Zod? No, he did what he had to save lives, and punished the main evil-doer of the movie. Ghost Rider would high-five Clark for one.

A need which is usually kept restrained by Blaze's conscience, the benefit of which Superman won't be the recipient in this thread.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, it wasn't.

Irrelevant as he was ultimately fried by hellfire. Yes I did, which practically happened until the GR got distracted by Danny's blood. Or did you miss that important bit of context?

No you didn't. You asked me whether the GR would punish you for wasting an opportunity to get laid in high school, and I replied by providing evidence from the movie which indicates that the Rider can punish people for crimes as trivial as an illegal download. Which clearly indicates that the act itself doesn't matter, it's how you feel about it. Superman, as evidenced by his emotional outlook while discussing his foster dad's death with Lois, clearly feels guilty about Pa Kent's death even though it wasn't really his fault. Superman also feels guilt for killing Zod, even though he was forced into doing so. Both or either of which make him fair game in the Rider's eyes, seeing as the Rider has an instinctively malevolent need to punish the guilty no matter what their crime is.

A need which is usually kept restrained by Blaze's conscience, the benefit of which Superman won't be the recipient in this thread.

So I provide a detailed breakdown of what happened and all you can do is put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la"? OK. Concession accepted.

So what you are saying is that despite all of the times people look into the Rider's eyes no one ever gets killed by the Penance stare in this film? Good to know. Clark doesn't even have to avert his eyes when pulping Ghost Rider.

This is where you are wrong. The act does matter. It has to be something illegal or otherwise morally wrong. An illegal download or a white lie are both wrong and thus punishable by the Rider. The act is important, not the person's feelings. Until you can prove Superman has done something that counts as wrong he has nothing to fear from the Rider.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So I provide a detailed breakdown of what happened and all you can do is put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la"? OK. Concession accepted.

So what you are saying is that despite all of the times people look into the Rider's eyes no one ever gets killed by the Penance stare in this film? Good to know. Clark doesn't even have to avert his eyes when pulping Ghost Rider.

This is where you are wrong. The act does matter. It has to be something illegal or otherwise morally wrong. An illegal download or a white lie are both wrong and thus punishable by the Rider. The act is important, not the person's feelings. Until you can prove Superman has done something that counts as wrong he has nothing to fear from the Rider.

The PS doesn't even kill people, lol. Where did you get that silly notion from? It merely fries their soul beyond all repair.

Nope, I am not. A plethora of evidence has been posted now, and all you're doing at this point is purposely ignoring it. We see Blaze tell us that the "bad" people whom the Rider feeds upon could have performed only trivial crimes, but it is how they feel about it that matters in the Rider's eyes. Lol, an illegal download or a white lie are no more wrong than killing someone or failing to prevent something awful happen even though it's in your power to do so. In fact an illegal download or a white lie are less wrong from an objective pov than the other 2 things which I mentioned. The Rider's way of determining who's guilty is subjective. What a backfiringly self-contradictory garbage logic to apply here. "The act is important". Lol indeed.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You did nothing of the sort. I already pointed out to you that Blaze has ending up in medical care is not indicative of the Rider being knocked out. Accepting fake concessions makes you look an even bigger tool.

The PS doesn't even kill people, lol. Where did you get that silly notion from? It merely fries their soul beyond all repair.

Nope, I am not. A plethora of evidence has been posted now, and all you're doing at this point is purposely ignoring it. We see Blaze tell us that the "bad" people whom the Rider feeds upon could have performed only trivial crimes, but it is how they feel about it that matters in the Rider's eyes. Lol, an illegal download or a white lie are no more wrong than killing someone or failing to prevent something awful happen even though it's in your power to do so. In fact an illegal download or a white lie are less wrong from an objective pov than the other 2 things which I mentioned. The Rider's way of determining who's guilty is subjective. What a backfiringly self-contradictory garbage logic to apply here. "The act is important". Lol indeed.

Yes, I did. In 7 easy-to-follow steps just in case you're as special as I think you are. If you can provide an alternative explanation for what happened other than "I don't know" then go ahead. Otherwise accept it, and move on.

Okay, fine. Ghost Rider didn't fry anyone's soul in this movie despite all the eye contact he had with his enemies. Still good news for Superman.

Where in the goddamn movie did Blaze talk about the importance of the offender's feelings? Do you not understand what guilty means? Do you think a court of law pronouncing someone "guilty" means the accused feels guilt? No, of course not. "Maybe you're not a murderer but you did something you wouldn't want the Rider to see" clearly refers to some act considered by the Rider to be wrong or evil. Like an illegal download or a lie, they're not truly evil but they're still wrong, and punishable according to the Rider. As far as we know Superman has done nothing of the sort.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, I did. In 7 easy-to-follow steps just in case you're as special as I think you are. If you can provide an alternative explanation for what happened other than "I don't know" then go ahead. Otherwise accept it, and move on.

Okay, fine. Ghost Rider didn't fry anyone's soul in this movie despite all the eye contact he had with his enemies. Still good news for Superman.

Where in the goddamn movie did Blaze talk about the importance of the offender's feelings? Do you not understand what guilty means? Do you think a court of law pronouncing someone "guilty" means the accused feels guilt? No, of course not. "Maybe you're not a murderer but you did something you wouldn't want the Rider to see" clearly refers to some act considered by the Rider to be wrong or evil. Like an illegal download or a lie, they're not truly evil but they're still wrong, and punishable according to the Rider. As far as we know Superman has done nothing of the sort.

Cool beans. Rider wins.🙂

When he said "there's good and bad in all of us. And maybe you didn't kill someone. Maybe you're not a murderer." I certainly do, though I doubt you do seeing how you've been butchering Blaze's narrative for the last 2 pages so far. No, it doesn't you bozo. If the act alone was enough to judge who's guilty or not then Superman should indisputably be guilty seeing how murder and failure to prevent death/destruction is a much, much worse act than telling a white lie or an illegal download, both of which are minor offenses which can be done for the right purposes. Seeing how you've been arguing like a broken record that Superman isn't guilty, that's clearly not the case here.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No you didn't. Sorry, but self-imagined scenarios and awfully constructed speculation doesn't count.

Cool beans. Rider wins.🙂

When he said "there's good and bad in all of us. And maybe you didn't kill someone. Maybe you're not a murderer." I certainly do, though I doubt you do seeing how you've been butchering Blaze's narrative for the last 2 pages so far. No, it doesn't you bozo. If the act alone was enough to judge who's guilty or not then Superman should indisputably be guilty seeing how murder and failure to prevent death/destruction is a much, much worse act than telling a white lie or an illegal download, both of which are minor offenses which can be done for the right purposes. Seeing how you've been arguing like a broken record that Superman isn't guilty, that's clearly not the case here.

Look, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Re-watch film. 1 GR gets hit by the grenade, and the car explodes, 2 He doesn't move at all, 3 Bad guys take the kid, 4 they put him in the car, 5 they leave, 6 Nadia cries on the ground, while GR is still in the burning car, 7 he wakes up in the damn hospital and is clearly in pain. CLEAR KO.

Putting your fingers in your ears again, eh? Doesn't change the fact the GR doesn't instantly PS you just by looking at you as shown in multiple instances.

Blaze does not talk about feelings in that quote. At all. I feel like I have to explain basic things to a child. The act is the only thing that matters, Blaze lists ACTS such as illegal downloads and telling lies. People who are GUILTY of those ACTS are in danger of the Rider. But Superman hasn't done anything wrong as far as we've seen. He obeyed his fathers wish, that's not wrong. And killing bad guys is definitely not wrong either otherwise Ghost Rider would have to kill himself.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Look, just because you don't like it

Originally posted by Psychotron

Putting your fingers in your ears again, eh? Doesn't change the fact the GR doesn't instantly PS you just by looking at you as shown in multiple instances.

Originally posted by Psychotron

Blaze does not talk about feelings in that quote. At all. I feel like I have to explain basic things to a child. The act is the only thing that matters, Blaze lists ACTS such as illegal downloads and telling lies. People who are GUILTY of those ACTS are in danger of the Rider. But Superman hasn't done anything wrong as far as we've seen. He obeyed his fathers wish, that's not wrong. And killing bad guys is definitely not wrong either otherwise Ghost Rider would have to kill himself.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I didn't like the whole movie tbh, but I don't see how that's relevant. No KO was shown on screen. End of.

Rider wins.

So being guilty is not a feeling? Self-contradictory bullsh1t remains self-contradictory. Lol, someone is pretty awful at interpreting a scene. Blaze openly says the line before that, "Maybe you didn't kill someone. Maybe you're not a murderer" clearly implying that the act itself doesn't matter. Going by your awful logic, Superman's acts of killing someone in cold blood and failing to save someone else even though it was in his power to do so are far and away worse than illegal downloads and white lies. Which means he's clearly guilty in the Rider's eyes. Why the phuck would the Rider kill himself? He has no conscience, as Blaze himself confirmed. Even better question; how the phuck would the Rider kill himself? Because if that was possible, Blaze would have committed suicide a hundred times over by now.

Except the one from the grenades which sent Blaze to the hospital. No one likes that movie yet here we are discussing it because you're either retarded, a troll, or blind.

Either come up with counter-argument or admit you were wrong.

How is a guilty verdict an emotion? How uneducated are you? Are you not capable of understanding the difference between the emotion guilt and the verdict? No, what Blaze means is that the severity of the act doesn't matter. It could be anything from a murder to a lie as long as it's evil/wrong/illegal. The rest doesn't matter. Superman didn't fail to save Pa Kent, he respected his wish. Killing Zod isn't a sin either, he was evil, and killing innocents. Ghost Rider would have tried to kill him too. My point was that if the Rider had a problem with killing villains he wouldn't be doing it. Yet he fries people left and right so clearly Superman killing a monster like Zod wouldn't be a issue.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except the one from the grenades which sent Blaze to the hospital. No one likes that movie yet here we are discussing it because you're either retarded, a troll, or blind.

Either come up with counter-argument or admit you were wrong.

How is a guilty verdict an emotion? How uneducated are you? Are you not capable of understanding the difference between the emotion guilt and the verdict? No, what Blaze means is that the severity of the act doesn't matter. It could be anything from a murder to a lie as long as it's evil/wrong/illegal. The rest doesn't matter. Superman didn't fail to save Pa Kent, he respected his wish. Killing Zod isn't a sin either, he was evil, and killing innocents. Ghost Rider would have tried to kill him too. My point was that if the Rider had a problem with killing villains he wouldn't be doing it. Yet he fries people left and right so clearly Superman killing a monster like Zod wouldn't be a issue.

😂

Lol, confusing the guilt felt by the victim with the Rider's "verdict". Classic Psychotron. You do understand that by admitting that the severity of the act doesn't matter, you're basically conceding that the act itself doesn't matter? Lol, so Superman letting Kent die is euthanasia iyo? That's some awful logic right there. He murdered Zod when he could've just KO'd him. We already see he has enough strength to break his neck, and considering that kryptonians can be KO'd, he didn't have to kill him. Awful. Superman feels guilt for these acts, which is undeniable. The Rider will prey upon Superman's guilt, and hence the Rider will win.

Originally posted by Epicurus
All three of those aptly describe you, but still while we're at it, show the Rider actually getting KO'd from that blast.

😂

Lol, confusing the guilt felt by the victim with the Rider's "verdict". Classic Psychotron. You do understand that by admitting that the severity of the act doesn't matter, you're basically conceding that the act itself doesn't matter? Lol, so Superman letting Kent die is euthanasia iyo? That's some awful logic right there. He murdered Zod when he could've just KO'd him. We already see he has enough strength to break his neck, and considering that kryptonians can be KO'd, he didn't have to kill him. Awful. Superman feels guilt for these acts, which is undeniable. The Rider will prey upon Superman's guilt, and hence the Rider will win.

He got hit and didn't get up. That's a KO.

Why I am I wasting my time with you? Everyone else figured out you're retarded several pages ago. The feeling of guilt has nothing to do with it, if it did than people who couldn't feel guilt (like say Faora) would be immune to the Penance stare. No, don't be a moron. There's has to be an act, remember that Zarathos went from fighting for justice to punishing the wicked. If you haven't done anything even slightly wrong/illegal then you don't fit into the Rider's screwed up definition of wickedness. Blaze listed those morally wrong/illegal acts for a reason. Pa Kent was an adult and capable of making his own decisions. Yeah, knocking out Zod would have been so easy even though he took multiple shots from Superman and kept fighting. You're grasping is pathetic. Superman's feelings are irrelevant. Actions matter, not feelings as said by Blaze.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He got hit and didn't get up. That's a KO.

Why I am I wasting my time with you? Everyone else figured out you're retarded several pages ago. The feeling of guilt has nothing to do with it, if it did than people who couldn't feel guilt (like say Faora) would be immune to the Penance stare. No, don't be a moron. There's has to be an act, remember that Zarathos went from fighting for justice to punishing the wicked. If you haven't done anything even slightly wrong/illegal then you don't fit into the Rider's screwed up definition of wickedness. Blaze listed those morally wrong/illegal acts for a reason. Pa Kent was an adult and capable of making his own decisions. Yeah, knocking out Zod would have been so easy even though he took multiple shots from Superman and kept fighting. You're grasping is pathetic. Superman's feelings are irrelevant. Actions matter, not feelings as said by Blaze.

Then stop responding to my posts, instead of resorting to infantile bashing, lying, distorting of facts from the movie and ignoring onscreen evidence. The feeling of guilt has everything to do with it. I already pointed out that this Rider is closer in terms of powerset to his comic book counterpart and seeing how the comic book counterpart's power has failed to affect sociopaths like Cletus Cassidy, my presumption is fairly valid. Lol, you already conceded that the act in itself doesn't matter as Blaze so clearly implies when he points out that even someone who's performed a trivial sin would be no different from a murderer in the Rider's eyes. Last, I checked, Superman's sin is murder, so there. KOing Zod would have been easier than breaking his neck. That much is for sure!

Originally posted by Epicurus
Even fully transparent materials don't let all the sunlight through. Not to mention that being transparent hardly means that it lets light of all wavelengths through. Don't you know even the most basic of physics? And her mask was far from fully transparent.

The difference is so microscopic so as to not be notable at all. Stop trying to create context that was never really shown in the scene, we are talking about a possible minimal increase of sunlight over a few seconds of time.

While she is talking with Kal-El. She isn't completely compromised in that position which is my contention.

She couldn't stand, and when the missile hit her she was physically unharmed, but unconscious. Why not just concede this point rather than go through these mental gymnastics Epicurus?

No, you retard, I am saying that the Rider tanking this missile head on means that he won't be obliterated by Superman's punches as you implied in your previous posts.

He will be, Superman's physical prowess is greater.

Busting bunkers is every bit as impressive as crashing through a bunch of buildings, and infinitely more impressive than getting KO'd by an oil rig. Bear that in mind the next time you try and fail to be a smartass. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3iA5KCa16s

This is the yield of the FGM-148 Javelin Missile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11j-f-_D0d0

This is Superman flying through the World Engine.

Notice how the crater Superman is standing in (Which is widening with every pulse) is larger than the yield of the javelin, and how Superman overpowers it regardless (It was also flattening cars to a few inches thick with each blast, which a javelin can't do). Notice how the explosion caused by him flying through it at hypersonic speeds is considerably greater than the yield of a javelin.

Notice how Superman's feat is better in every single way.

Bunker busting? Please. Superman would tear into that bunker with the utmost of ease.

I did. My opinion remains unchanged.

Zod caused the vast majority of the damage.

No he is not.

Name a single physical stat Ghost Rider has over Superman.

Unquantifiable.

Lol.

We see the destruction of the World Engine. Its explosion is considerably more massive than a javelin missile's, and Superman was in the center of it.

It is perfectly quantifiable. It is quantified as being better than a javelin missile. 👆

But since we want to bring up such feats,

"Waaaaaah"

I say the Rider standing in close proximity to and being unfazed by the Hell-wormhole he opened when he banished Rourke is far more impressive than Superman struggling to escape from the phantom zone singularity.

Wasn't my argument, learn to read. 👆

Prove it's not equivalent. Both involve the opening of doorways to another dimension. Prove that Superman can beat him to death with his bare hands, when Satan himself couldn't do so to the Zarathos entity.

One of those doorways also happened to be of greater potency and IIRC scale. 👆

It's also not Superman's best quantifiable feat either but eh.

Satan? What hand to hand feats does he have again?

So you believe that he'll win this thread by flying off and creating sonic booms? Self-bfr doesn't count as victory.

He'll win this thread by ramming into Grider at hundreds of times the speed of sound and putting him into the dirt.

That evidence hardly negates any of my claims.🙂

Let's be real here.

You've provided some evidence that Grider's Penance Stare can work on Superman, you have that.

You have yet to begin proving that Grider is even a hundredth as strong, fast, or durable as Superman. Superman could hold Grider's face to the ground with one hand while flying at mach 100, and Grider could do nothing to stop it.

Grider has no answer toward Superman's strength or speed, Superman might kill him accidentally.

Originally posted by NemeBro
One of those doorways also happened to be of greater potency and IIRC scale. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro

It's also not Superman's best quantifiable feat either but eh.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Satan? What hand to hand feats does he have again?

Also, I accept your concession.👆

Originally posted by Epicurus
Prove it.

Nah, at this point the quality of your post is enough for us to be confident in our superiority, and besides, we've provided considerably more evidence than you have in this thread. 👆

Glad you finally admitted that.

We never said resisting the wormhole was his best quantifiable feat. 👆

We once said resisting the terraforming ray that reached the center of the Earth was, but when proved wrong I gracefully conceded that point. Learn from our example. 👆

Dimension-ruling reality warping deity-lite entity, brolio

So no physical feats then? Good. 👆

Also, I accept your concession.👆

We win, you lose. 👆