Originally posted by Nephthys
That doesn't really apply, since Vitiate wasn't aware of the Exile until she attacked. Its like saying that Sidious is shit since Vader was able to grab him and throw him off a ledge. Those kind of sneak attacks aren't relevant in a face to face combat situation.
Red herring. Vitiate saw the Exile and Revan burst into his Throne Chamber, not assessing her as a potential threat was stupid.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, since I then pointed out a fight where Vitiate pwns 4 Jedi of similar caliber to Bulq and Billaba. They are irrelevant because of Vitiates vastly superior Force powers, not because of speed.
Those Jedi weren't even close to Bulq and Billaba's level.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Red herring. Vitiate saw the Exile and Revan burst into his Throne Chamber, not assessing her as a potential threat was stupid.Those Jedi weren't even close to Bulq and Billaba's level.
Whether it was foolish is irrelevant. Vitiate thought she wasn't a threat because she was engaged with the Imperial Guard. In this thread all 3 will be engaging him and he will be focused on all 3. For the record Vitiate still would have defeated Revan, Scourge and the Exile btw.
Yes they were. They've been canonically called among the strongest and most powerful Jedi of the time. Warren was the greatest Jedi warrior in his prime, Leeha was a Jedi who had never known defeat and Tol Braga and the Hero are obviously on pissants like Bulq and Billaba's level. Oh no, but of course PT Jedi are ooooobviously above even the most powerful Jedi of the TOR era. Barf. Puke. You smell.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Whether it was foolish is irrelevant. Vitiate thought she wasn't a threat because she was engaged with the Imperial Guard. In this thread all 3 will be engaging him and he will be focused on all 3. For the record Vitiate still would have defeated Revan, Scourge and the Exile btw.
Which is why Scourge saw a future with Revan standing triumphant above the Emperor...
Yes they were. They've been canonically called among the strongest and most powerful Jedi of the time. Warren was the greatest Jedi warrior in his prime, Leeha was a Jedi who had never known defeat and Tol Braga and the Hero are obviously on pissants like Bulq and Billaba's level. Oh no, but of course PT Jedi are ooooobviously above even the most powerful Jedi of the TOR era. Barf. Puke. You smell.
Being called the strongest does not magically put them above Sora Bulq who mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat and assisted in creating Vaapad, Depa who's bladework gave Mace Windu a hard time, and Mace Windu himself who defeated Vitiate's superior.
Neither Leeha or Warren have feats. One source saying they are strong does not magically put them above virtually the entire PT.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Which is why Scourge saw a future with Revan standing triumphant above the Emperor...
He didn't. :I
He saw a future where the Emperor kills Revan and Meetra then mindrapes him.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Being called the strongest does not magically put them above Sora Bulq who mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat and assisted in creating Vaapad, Depa who's bladework gave Mace Windu a hard time, and Mace Windu himself who defeated Vitiate's superior.Neither Leeha or Warren have feats. One source saying they are strong does not magically put them above virtually the entire PT.
1) I didn't say above, I said on their level. Lrn 2 reed, nurd.
2) It kind of does, since an omniscient statement of being at the top of the era is an omniscient assessment of their abilities and so can reasonably be seen to be true. So unless you think that the PT era is just better than the TOR, which I think we all know isn't true, Warren and Leeha would logically be about on par with characters like Depa and Sora who are themselves near the top of their era's.
3) It's actually two sources saying the same thing.
"Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the Order." - SWTORE pg. 89.
"The most powerful Jedi in the Order" - SWTOR, Jedi Knight Act II loading screen.
Pretty sure right around when he decides to kill Revan and the Exile.
Edit: "The Force washed over him in a wave, and a million possible futures flickered through his mind simultaneously. In some the Emperor was no more; in others he had transformed the entire galaxy into an empty wasteland. He saw both Revan's triumph and defeat in the throne room; he saw variations of his own life and death played out over and over in every conceivable way, shape, and form."
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]He didn't. :IHe saw a future where the Emperor kills Revan and Meetra then mindrapes him.
Wrong.
1) I didn't say above, I said on their level. Lrn 2 reed, nurd.
Either way. It doesn't. Its said Agen Kolar was amongst the greatest swordsman in the Order's 25,000 year history. That doesn't magically make Kolar superior to Obi-Wan.
2) It kind of does, since an omniscient statement of being at the top of the era is an omniscient assessment of their abilities and so can reasonably be seen to be true. So unless you think that the PT era is just better than the TOR, which I think we all know isn't true, Warren and Leeha would logically be about on par with characters like Depa and Sora who are themselves near the top of their era's.
Nothing logical about it. Bulq and Depa are amongst the best of all times, Leeha and Warren are just in their time period.
3) It's actually two sources saying the same thing."Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the Order." - SWTORE pg. 89.
"The most powerful Jedi in the Order" - SWTOR, Jedi Knight Act II loading screen.
Let me make this clearer. Feats or GTFO.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Either way. It doesn't. Its said Agen Kolar was amongst the greatest swordsman in the Order's 25,000 year history. That doesn't magically make Kolar superior to Obi-Wan.
I never said it did so ok.
On their level, yes. Being at the top of the TOR hierarchy would put them at least at freaking Bulq and Billaba's level. A better comparison would be if Agen Kolar was in a team said to be made up of the most powerful and strongest Jedi in the Order at the time. Then I would probably put him pretty ****ing close to Obi-Wan, yes.
Also I like that you bring up Kolar as if every single discussion about him doesn't have people throwing around that quote exactly like I'm throwing around the Strike Team quotes. Yourself included as I recall.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Nothing logical about it. Bulq and Depa are amongst the best of all times, Leeha and Warren are just in their time period.
Well then maybe you should get your... logic.... glasses checked. B*tch. Yeah.
Being among the best of the TOR era would logically put them amongst the best of all time. You duffer.*
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Let me make this clearer. Feats or GTFO.
Thanks for clearing that up though. I was totes confused on that point. 👆
* Duffer is a great word. I'm totes bringing it back.
Nothing logical about it. Bulq and Depa are amongst the best of all times, Leeha and Warren are just in their time period.
Really? I mean, Depa I could maybe see considering the trouble she gave Windu (maybe), but Bulq?
It seems like the top 10-20 CW Jedi are all 'among the best of all time' at times.
What feats does Bulq have again?
Also, when it comes to movjie characters, a significant part of the fan base will always elevate movie characters above EU characters because of bias or an inability to see EU characters as real or powerful as live action characters. I don't know why. But I love the feat wars approach. Background and context be damned, if Person A didn't show any feats, they must be weaker, for the same reason why Manwe can't defeat anyone in Arda; he never showed any feats.
Originally posted by Q99
It's not like Depa isn't basically EU character (no lines, in the background), and Sora definitely is!
While I grant you that much of their feats are EU, the characters originated in the films. You could make the same argument for a lot of characters in the Clone Wars era. There's a certain bubble which extends around the era that is pure and holy and all that SW is meant to be, and then there's un-attached EU which is apocrypha, including anything that doesn't supplement what GL already made.
While I admit that many of the Clone Wars novels I enjoyed, I don't understand some of the anti-EU bias that permeates this EU sub-forum.
Imo...they take Vitiate...but not easily...rather one Vaapad master dying....
The one who dies is Sora Bulq who either saves Depa or Mace by....
a)Throwing his Sabers at Vitiate...whilst attacking with Force Lightning....
b)Stepping in between Mace,Depa,attempting to deflect or reflect Force Lightning....
giving Mace and Depa a chance to attack from two different sides....
or
c)Mace reflects Vitiate's Force Lightning.....Depa attacks...and Sora catches him off guard...
Vitiate Force repulses both Depa and Sora....but wasn't fast enough to stop Mace's stab
to the heart or sudden decapitation.
if I was writing it...I'll have the Vaapad Masters circling Vitiate like a hungry pack of vornskrs...
attacking in unison...then breaking formation with that good ole bait... lure... ambush... kill method...pack animal style....lion...wolf..or hyena....
and here's a bonus...Yoda guiding them w/battle meditation...after Bulq is either wounded or killed....imo...lol...this is good...I'll come back with another scenario after everyone has replied...
yall came up with another good one....
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]I never said it did so ok.On their level, yes. Being at the top of the TOR hierarchy would put them at least at freaking Bulq and Billaba's level. A better comparison would be if Agen Kolar was in a team said to be made up of the most powerful and strongest Jedi in the Order at the time. Then I would probably put him pretty ****ing close to Obi-Wan, yes.
Me being the best swordsman of the 21st century does not automatically mean I am one of the best in the history of swordsmanship. In other words there's no point of comparison.
Being the best of a lesser era does not make you better than the relative top of all time.
And no Kolar is not close to Obi-Wan at all. 😆
Also I like that you bring up Kolar as if every single discussion about him doesn't have people throwing around that quote exactly like I'm throwing around the Strike Team quotes. Yourself included as I recall.
Except Kolar beat the shit out of Quinlan Vos with ease. Also Kolar's quote is different. He's hailed as one of the best of all time, not the best in just his timeline.
Well then maybe you should get your... logic.... glasses checked. B*tch. Yeah.Being among the best of the TOR era would logically put them amongst the best of all time. You duffer.*
Since when has being the best within a 50 year time span ~ being the best over a 25,000 year time span?
That's like saying because John Ruiz was the best in 2005, he can have a shot at defeating Ali in his Prime.