Originally posted by Magnon
Does the Phoenix Force pass on to the remaining P5 when one falls? If so, then the P5 wins.First 5 x 1/5 phoenix, then 4 x 1/4 phoenix, and so on, until one full phoenix. Galactus would run out of energy eventually, and lose.
I have to agree here.
Galactus said it himself that he ran out of energy vs Rachel Phoenix. Rachel wasn't anywhere near tired.
Even though he was hungry at the time, the glimpses of the fight that were shown on panel indicate that he wasn't even able to harm a relatively calm Phoenix. Rachel was no selling attacks. In this fight Big G would ko 4 members and inevitably wind up facing the last member with the full Phoenix Force. With rage coursing through its veins, I'm siding with DP.
It's hard to believe that so many people on this site either forgot or don't know that unless it is stated otherwise by the OP (Original Poster); ALL characters are to be not only the most CURRENT version of said character but, they are also to be at their FULL strength and that they will be fighting at the very BEST of their abilities.
That being said... Galan wins
Originally posted by SundippedHungry is right. Before the battle even began, Galactus made these statements:
I have to agree here.
Galactus said it himself that he ran out of energy vs Rachel Phoenix. Rachel wasn't anywhere near tired.Even though he was hungry at the time, the glimpses of the fight that were shown on panel indicate that he wasn't even able to harm a relatively calm Phoenix. Rachel was no selling attacks. In this fight Big G would ko 4 members and inevitably wind up facing the last member with the full Phoenix Force. With rage coursing through its veins, I'm siding with DP.
"I have need of sustenance."
http://imgur.com/aUt51TH
"I am weak--consumed by hunger."
http://imgur.com/G2Fosjv
ie. Using Rachel's showing against a hungry/weak Galactus as a means to gauge how the P5 would fare against a well-fed Galactus, isn't the most full-proof of logics. /shrug
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Don't see why you reinterated me mentioning him being at low levels. I acknowledged that.
The thing is, this will wind up eventually being Galactus vs the Phoenix Force in one being. I brought up Rachel as a gauge because that was a one on one battle she had with him but the final member of the P5 was shown as DP (filled with rage) which would be a hell of a fight considering a weak Galactus basically couldn't even harm a calm Rachel. I have no problems with anyone thinking Galactus would win but if I had to bet, I'm placing my $ on the PF.
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True. Too bad they didn't have Scott face off against a cosmic or abstract but should we hold that against him and say he can't get the job done despite what the PF has done in a direct confrontation against (an albeit) weak Galactus in the past? Personally, I don't think that would be fair. It's not his fault he only faced fodder.
I like this set of scans as it shows the vast difference between a hungry Galactus and a fed one:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_12.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_13.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_15.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_17.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_18.jpg
And him one shotting Phoenix members until they turn into the wholly unimpressive Dark Scott doesn't indicate an energy expense.
Originally posted by Sundipped
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Don't see why you reinterated me mentioning him being at low levels. I acknowledged that.The thing is, this will wind up eventually being Galactus vs the Phoenix Force in one being. I brought up Rachel as a gauge because that was a one on one battle she had with him but the final member of the P5 was shown as DP (filled with rage) which would be a hell of a fight considering a weak Galactus basically couldn't even harm a calm Rachel. I have no problems with anyone thinking Galactus would win but if I had to bet, I'm placing my $ on the PF.
They don't have the necessary skill or experience to take down someone of G's tier.
we've already seen that in Endsong Emma was incapable of containing the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]Just to put it out there, none of the Phoenix 5 were as skilled as Rachel. In all reality the way Dark Phoenix Scott went down, I don't see Rachel going down in a similar manner at all.They don't have the necessary skill or experience to take down someone of G's tier.
we've already seen that in Endsong Emma was incapable of containing the Phoenix Force.
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And what extra abilities or skills would they need? Rachel flew around and shot energy projection. Anyone on this team is capable of that + they were granted extra abilities like tp, tk, enhanced durability, strength, flight and molecular control. I don't see what more you could add. They weren't show to have any difficulty exhibiting their powers so why does there have to be a certain skill level?
Scott went down due to seeing a vision of Jean....he wasn't taken down by force but he did lose his focus for a minute. I would presume the events during that little intermission wouldn't apply here.
Emma had no problems containing it in AvX. She exhibited astral projection, of course tp, and sub atomic control with no problems so I don't see what her being "incapable" in Endsong has to do with this.
I think Mr. Sunking has a point. Sinister himself called the P5 substandard hosts that's why the Force went into his Madelyn clones.
If this was the Classic PF wielded by a worthy host (Jean, Giraud, Necrom, a non holding back Rachel), I don't see Galactus winning.
Galactus vs the P5 is spite against those losers.
Originally posted by Sundipped
And what extra abilities or skills would they need? Rachel flew around and shot energy projection. Anyone on this team is capable of that + they were granted extra abilities like tp, tk, enhanced durability, strength, flight and molecular control. I don't see what more you could add. They weren't show to have any difficulty exhibiting their powers so why does there have to be a certain skill level?Scott went down due to seeing a vision of Jean....he wasn't taken down by force but he did lose his focus for a minute. I would presume the events during that little intermission wouldn't apply here.
Emma had no problems containing it in AvX. She exhibited astral projection, of course tp, and sub atomic control with no problems so I don't see what her being "incapable" in Endsong has to do with this.
Sure they've demonstrated astral projection, molecular control ect. But in all honestly it was more or less another repetition of Cable's burnt offerings showings (barring a few of the P5's other higher showings)
There's a firm difference between a skilled user vs someone who isn't.
We've seen competent IG wielders, and incompetent IG wielders and there's a vast difference.
Furthermore Emma only controlled a fraction of the force during AvX. Moreover as zopzop stated, they were called "substandard host" by Sinister himself.
