The Phoenix Five vs Galactus

Originally posted by zopzop
I think Mr. Sunking has a point. Sinister himself called the P5 substandard hosts that's why the Force went into his Madelyn clones.

If this was the Classic PF wielded by a worthy host (Jean, Giraud, Necrom, a non holding back Rachel), I don't see Galactus winning.

Galactus vs the P5 is spite against those losers.

Oh are we really going off Sinisters words?
The same Sinister who was told by the P5 that mere science would/did fail?

So much for substandard.

So Galactus vs one member of the Phoenix, which is what it will come down to, is spite but you'll give any other version (3 who aren't even DP) the win? Think about what you're saying here.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]What's the point of wielding all of that power when you lack the skill to do wield it efficiently?

Sure they've demonstrated astral projection, molecular control ect. But in all honestly it was more or less another repetition of Cable's burnt offerings showings (barring a few of the P5's other higher showings)

There's a firm difference between a skilled user vs someone who isn't.

We've seen competent IG wielders, and incompetent IG wielders and there's a vast difference.

Furthermore Emma only controlled a fraction of the force during AvX. Moreover as zopzop stated, they were called "substandard host" by Sinister himself. [/B]

Where do you see a lapse of skill? What abilities would they need to hone just to face Galactus? You keep throwing the phrase "they lack the skill" around but you're not giving me any specifics as to what you feel is necessary. This is now my second time asking. In AvX they were automatically bestowed with diverse powers + augmentation of existing ones. Illyana even stated she acquired senses that were unexplainable vs Rogue and Binary.

Once again, what department is lacking and where's the lack of skill implicated?

Your original claim was that Emma was incapable in reference to a irrelevant arc. Now you're jumping to "well she only had a portion". I'm guessing you're saying since she only had a portion, that there's no way she could control the whole but that's only speculation. Emma was simultaneously demonstrating astral projection while holding back in her physical form vs the X men and Avengers with half of the power of the PF. How's that for control?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Scott went down due to seeing a vision of Jean....he wasn't taken down by force but he did lose his focus for a minute. I would presume the events during that little intermission wouldn't apply here.

Emma had no problems containing it in AvX. She exhibited astral projection, of course tp, and sub atomic control with no problems so I don't see what her being "incapable" in Endsong has to do with this.

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Really? Pushed to the brink? Even after it was stated on panel that they were holding back? Come on, you know better than that.

Anyway, the reason for unification was to prep for Hope who's power was coming to fruition, evidenced by her ability to one shot Scott to the moon.

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Really? Pushed to the brink? Even after it was stated on panel that they were holding back? Come on, you know better than that.

Originally posted by ODG
I know enough that Emma stated outright that the battle was going terribly and that Scott was desperate enough to completely betray the woman he loved and stealing Emma's power to unify the Phoenixforce.

Going terribly because they were holding back essentially sparing Xavier and crew. Emma commented that they should really just incinerate everyone and leave ashes in their wake which no doubt could've been done save maybe Hope. You seem to imply that Scott was desperate and needed more power just to best that team of X men and Avengers but he didn't.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Going terribly because they were holding back essentially sparing Xavier and crew. Emma commented that they should really just incinerate everyone and leave ashes in their wake which no doubt could've been done save maybe Hope. You seem to imply that Scott was desperate and needed more power just to best that team of X men and Avengers but he didn't.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
With the F5 being split I wonder if Galactus could feed on an individual member like he did with Hyperstorm?

haven't we been shown what happens if g tries to consume some of the pf? ultimately, it would be self-defeating, no? with cis on, i don't think g would resort to that, even if he were able to...

Originally posted by ODG
Scott did kill Xavier you know. And it really did look like he couldn't put Xavier down without the boost from Emma since he was being attacked by the entirety of the X-Men/Avengers. But, ok, there's an argument that Scott and Emma held back because they feared going too far and be subsumed by their power. If we take that for granted as true, isn't it also arguable that would apply here in this thread against Galactus?

Yeah Scott killed Xavier after taking Emma's power...taking the power was imminent according to plan. Scott held back for as long as he could tolerate then finally, Xavier was informed of his last chance by Scott just before he stole the power indicating that playtime was over. With the treat of anti - Phoenix Wanda on the battlefield with Hope, why postpone your plans any longer? No it wouldn't apply. Galactus would be facing the last member of the P5 in DP. To add, the DP in this thread isn't facing anti - Phoenix Chaos magic and a more powerful mimic of those energies in Hope.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah Scott killed Xavier after taking Emma's power...taking the power was imminent according to plan. Scott held back for as long as he could tolerate then finally, Xavier was informed of his last chance by Scott just before he stole the power indicating that playtime was over. With the treat of anti - Phoenix Wanda on the battlefield with Hope, why postpone your plans any longer?

Originally posted by Sundipped
No it wouldn't apply. Galactus would be facing the last member of the P5 in DP. To add, the DP in this thread isn't facing anti - Phoenix Chaos magic and a more powerful mimic of those energies in Hope.

In any event, I haven't thought about a Dark Phoenix vs Galactus fight in a long time. And don't care to. Was more interested in the P5 vs Galactus.

Originally posted by ODG
If Scott really did just hold back and only took Emma's power to deal with Scott/Hope, then Scott didn't need to take Emma's power before dealing with Xavier, killing him outright. What I'm suggesting is, Xavier's assault + Avengers/X-Men was a hurdle he couldn't overcome without taking Emma's half of the Phoenixforce. And I'm suggesting it, because that's kinda what he was portrayed as doing. Anyway, this is all rather academic. We both have arguments. So agree to disagree.

The thing is, he didn't want to kill Charles or anyone else outright. After a while, he simply got fed up and decided to proceed with his original plan but like you said we'll drop that argument.

Originally posted by ODG
It strikes me that Galactus isn't limited to taking them out utterly one by one. Now that I can think of it, they can be KTFO without the power passing on to others. Like the P5 were against Sinister. Like P2 Scott was against Hope.

In the Sinister case, the plot was intended for the power to be siphoned into the Madelyn clones which played a key role in the story. Kinda hard for it to play out the way the writer intended if all the power flowed into one being there and that being sh!it stomped Sinister & clones with ease. With Scott, it's possible the distance gap was a factor and another member has to be in the immediate vicinity.

Originally posted by ODG
In any event, I haven't thought about a Dark Phoenix vs Galactus fight in a long time. And don't care to. Was more interested in the P5 vs Galactus.

Originally posted by Supra
If they need more power, they can be possessed with Dark Phoenix Force.

^ However, I'm only applying this to a sole member because only one was shown to possess the total power on panel.

^ Seems to me that only one member could go Dark Phoenix anyway based on AvX.

And while I agree on the Sinister absorption/manipulation thing, I'm just saying that the P5 can be KTFO without their portion necessarily passing on. P2 Scott took hours to recover from his beating on the Moon. P5 Magik was also KTFO by Wanda early on.

Originally posted by Magnon
Does the Phoenix Force pass on to the remaining P5 when one falls? If so, then the P5 wins.

First 5 x 1/5 phoenix, then 4 x 1/4 phoenix, and so on, until one full phoenix. Galactus would run out of energy eventually, and lose.

I guess Galactus could just one-shot all the weaker individual P5 members simultaneously. Then it's 5 x unconscious P5s. I don't know what happens to the PF in that situation.

Originally posted by basilisk
I guess Galactus could just one-shot all the weaker individual P5 members simultaneously. Then it's 5 x unconscious P5s. I don't know what happens to the PF in that situation.

yeah, what would happen if galactus simultaneously beat the p5? does the PF go away from them all together? the PF chooses the more disturb of the P5 to be the DP? or does the PF go away and finds a newer/better host?

Well, when Sinister knocked them out....nothing happened.

So I guess Galactus simultaneously KOs/kills the weaker individual forms with a single one-shot blast and then... that's it.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Seems to me that only one member could go Dark Phoenix anyway based on AvX.

And while I agree on the Sinister absorption/manipulation thing, I'm just saying that the P5 can be KTFO without their portion necessarily passing on. P2 Scott took hours to recover from his beating on the Moon. P5 Magik was also KTFO by Wanda early on.

Fair enough I suppose. Perhaps Scott was too far away. I don't think P5 Magik was koed. Almost but not quite because we see evidence of consciousness through a speech bubble when she responds to her name being called by Emma.

Originally posted by 8swords
yeah, what would happen if galactus simultaneously beat the p5? does the PF go away from them all together? the PF chooses the more disturb of the P5 to be the DP? or does the PF go away and finds a newer/better host?

If it were to go down like that then it would be the PF entity with no host left and I think it would go look for an immediate host.

Originally posted by Sundipped

If it were to go down like that then it would be the PF entity with no host left and I think it would go look for an immediate host. [/B]

then galactus has a chance of beating them if he goes out killing them all at once.