Dynamic Strength......

Started by -Pr-9 pages

So people are still trying to get around it by being sneaky.

Carver and JBL, be on topic, or don't post at all.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Suckers!!! Big Thanosi is never subject to this.. me and PR are tight like a snuggie on a cold day.

I don't snuggie. sneer

Originally posted by abhilegend
Incalculable? Yes.

http://i.imgur.com/sstlbJm.jpg

The exact word used was "unimaginable", which is very subjective. Just saying...

You knwo abhi Galan.. he's the best at misrepresenting a scan or taking them out of context. Par for the course big G. I was out by you this last weekend bro.. how is life across the colorado?

Nothing new, really... Just enjoying the weather.

Originally posted by Galan007
The exact word used was "unimaginable", which is very subjective. Just saying...

Ah, yes.

Damn you and your funky ways.

uhuh

Originally posted by carver9
He has went all out against Adam, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, etc, and I didn't see a difference in power. Adam even withstood a punch from an all out Superman with no injuries.

That wasn't true last thousand times you said it and its not true here either. DOS flat out says that his strength increases as he holds back less and less.

Superman states that DD seemingly getting stronger:

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg

Which was confirmed here-- Doomsday has dynamic, increasing, rage-fueled strength:

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_35.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_36.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_37.jpg

DD was so far above the Class 100 Superman physically that he was hurting his fists on DD's skin:

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsdaySMAC648_18.jpg

When DD's got to Metropolis, Supes still was getting dominated and getting wrecked as an inferior--

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-09.jpghttp://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-09.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-11.jpg

DD then directly threatens LOIS--and all out mode begins:

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-13.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-14.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-15.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-16.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-17.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-18.jpg

He truly hurts DD for the first time:

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-19.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-20.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-21.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=Supermanv2075-22.jpg

Even the NOVELIZATION acknowledged his dynamic holding back factor and all out mode:

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=DeathofSuperman-RogerSternNoveli-1.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=DeathofSuperman-RogerSternNovelisat.jpg

Oh yeah, and even his DEATH in DoS was due to his humanized mindset: causing him to think of hismelf as a mortal man:

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1993%20Jan%20-%20Adventures%20500%20-/?action=view&current=week11-1993-Adv_Supes-500-38.jpg

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1993%20Jan%20-%20Adventures%20500%20-/?action=view&current=week11-1993-Adv_Supes-500-39.jpg

Somebody explain this to me, Superman went from hurting his hands on DD to killing him in mere moments and that's not an increase in strength?

As for Black Adam.

He stated that he doesn't have to hold back as much as he does against humans. But when Adam truly made him angry and he had another gear to go to.

Adam folded like a cheap hooker and he knew that punch was going to end that fight.

Cry more carter and JBL.

that little guy with the superman tinted glasses is abhi

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that little guy with the superman tinted glasses is abhi

You..........you found me?

*plotting your murder now*

I dont agree with that assessment of the ba incident abhi

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I dont agree with that assessment of the ba incident abhi

Cool. Adam agreed with it though, its also clear to anybody with a brain that Superman wasn't going all out against Adam earlier.

Is not only his physical strength but all his stats increase or decrease because of the psionic nature of his powers, it is mostly portrayed on his strength, but it has also been shown on his invulnerabilty.

This is comics. Not everything is consistent, and you can't reconcile every showing or writer.

Superman has had some kind of dynamic strength under enough writers that it needs to be considered. However, he doesn't seem to have it--or it isn't used--in many other cases. Even the exact mechanism of his dynamic power levels is inconsistent.

So we cannot say Superman always has psionically-derived, dynamic power levels under every writer. Nor can we say he does not have dynamic strength just because when he faces people like Captain Marvel it doesn't tend to show up. Does this make Superman difficult to rate in a battle board fight? Absolutely. But sometimes the truth is complicated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cool. Adam agreed with it though, its also clear to anybody with a brain that Superman wasn't going all out against Adam earlier.

No he did not. Your reaching.

So is this going to stay off topic? Should I just close it now?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So is this going to stay off topic? Should I just close it now?

Off topic?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No he did not. Your reaching.

Of course he did. Why would he move his back to a charging superman conceding that it would be the end of the fight?

Logically Superman's mental blocks would only apply in fights and situations where civilians or opponents could be killed if he didn't exercise some restraint. In a situation that would require pure strength, not physical violence i.e stopping a meteor, or rocket, freeing himself from captivity etc it would make no sense logically to not give it his best.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course he did. Why would he move his back to a charging superman conceding that it would be the end of the fight?

BA didn't even want to fight. Superman played into his hands

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Logically Superman's mental blocks would only apply in fights and situations where civilians or opponents could be killed if he didn't exercise some restraint. In a situation that would require pure strength, not physical violence i.e stopping a meteor, or rocket, freeing himself from captivity etc it would make no sense logically to not give it his best.

Read the scan carefully here.

Its called "subconsciously" holding back. Superman consciously can't break those blocks.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
BA didn't even want to fight. Superman played into his hands

At first he didn't want to fight him. That wasn't the case when he stopped superman from leaving the city center. Adam wanted no part of superman when he fully went all out and superman was pretty confident that punch would finish the fight and he knows Marvels better than anyone in DCU.