Originally posted by abhilegendThe exact word used was "unimaginable", which is very subjective. Just saying...
Incalculable? Yes.
Originally posted by carver9
He has went all out against Adam, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, etc, and I didn't see a difference in power. Adam even withstood a punch from an all out Superman with no injuries.
Superman states that DD seemingly getting stronger:
Which was confirmed here-- Doomsday has dynamic, increasing, rage-fueled strength:
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DD was so far above the Class 100 Superman physically that he was hurting his fists on DD's skin:
When DD's got to Metropolis, Supes still was getting dominated and getting wrecked as an inferior--
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DD then directly threatens LOIS--and all out mode begins:
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He truly hurts DD for the first time:
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Even the NOVELIZATION acknowledged his dynamic holding back factor and all out mode:
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Oh yeah, and even his DEATH in DoS was due to his humanized mindset: causing him to think of hismelf as a mortal man:
Somebody explain this to me, Superman went from hurting his hands on DD to killing him in mere moments and that's not an increase in strength?
As for Black Adam.
He stated that he doesn't have to hold back as much as he does against humans. But when Adam truly made him angry and he had another gear to go to.
Adam folded like a cheap hooker and he knew that punch was going to end that fight.
Cry more carter and JBL.
This is comics. Not everything is consistent, and you can't reconcile every showing or writer.
Superman has had some kind of dynamic strength under enough writers that it needs to be considered. However, he doesn't seem to have it--or it isn't used--in many other cases. Even the exact mechanism of his dynamic power levels is inconsistent.
So we cannot say Superman always has psionically-derived, dynamic power levels under every writer. Nor can we say he does not have dynamic strength just because when he faces people like Captain Marvel it doesn't tend to show up. Does this make Superman difficult to rate in a battle board fight? Absolutely. But sometimes the truth is complicated.
Logically Superman's mental blocks would only apply in fights and situations where civilians or opponents could be killed if he didn't exercise some restraint. In a situation that would require pure strength, not physical violence i.e stopping a meteor, or rocket, freeing himself from captivity etc it would make no sense logically to not give it his best.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Logically Superman's mental blocks would only apply in fights and situations where civilians or opponents could be killed if he didn't exercise some restraint. In a situation that would require pure strength, not physical violence i.e stopping a meteor, or rocket, freeing himself from captivity etc it would make no sense logically to not give it his best.
Its called "subconsciously" holding back. Superman consciously can't break those blocks.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
BA didn't even want to fight. Superman played into his hands