Can the Master Sword cut through Sauron's ring ?

My bad, half asleep.

Allow me to add to that comparison. Use that strength you have to throw that large rock, grab a crowbar and swing at someone's head.

You speak as if thinking my stance is that Link can punch with equal force to the B&C. I'm not. I'm saying that clearly Link has the strength to do his higher level feats with a medium. With a lighter weapon Link will still be achieving feats on that level, even if not 100% what the B&C does.

Also the main issue with the comparison is that the whole rock and crowbar thing do not work the same way with superhuman strength, where the strength more so comes from the person and less fem the weapon weight. Superhuman and all.

Originally posted by BloodRain
My bad, half asleep.

Allow me to add to that comparison. Use that strength you have to throw that large rock, grab a crowbar and swing at someone's head.

You speak as if thinking my stance is that Link can punch with equal force to the B&C. I'm not. I'm saying that clearly Link has the strength to do his higher level feats with a medium. With a lighter weapon Link will still be achieving feats on that level, even if not 100% what the B&C does.

Also the main issue with the comparison is that the whole rock and crowbar thing do not work the same way with superhuman strength, where the strength more so comes from the person and less fem the weapon weight. Superhuman and all.

And why is that the case for Link but not Sauron?

Originally posted by BloodRain
And why is that the case for Link but not Sauron?

In both instances we have strong characters wielding heavy weapons.

Only difference is that Link's B&C is around twice as heavy as Sauron's mace, and that his feat is a dozen times more powerful.

Point is, for most of his weapons, the amount of force behind them won't be an order of magnitude weaker, to say the least

50/50

Originally posted by BloodRain
In both instances we have strong characters wielding heavy weapons.

Only difference is that Link's B&C is around twice as heavy as Sauron's mace, and that his feat is a dozen times more powerful.

That's not the point. Point is that even though Link's weapon is twice as heavy as Sauron's, Link's feat with it is an order of magnitude greater that Sauron's feat.

So with this discussion; "We know it is Sauron and not the mace itself. With Link he clearly needs the ball and chain." We have Link producing far, far greater force when wielding a weapon only somewhat heavier.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The have magical properties but dispelling magic has nothing to do with cutting through his flesh.

It does when his flesh is magically protected.

Originally posted by BloodRain
That's not the point. Point is that even though Link's weapon is twice as heavy as Sauron's, Link's feat with it is an order of magnitude greater that Sauron's feat.

So with this discussion; "We know it is Sauron and not the mace itself. With Link he clearly needs the ball and chain." We have Link producing far, far greater force when wielding a weapon only somewhat heavier.

I disagree. Knocking back multiple armored men that the made doesn't even strike back tarty some feet is more impressive than the ball and chain feat.

Sauron is also using one arm whereas link is immobile and using all his strength to wield the chain.

Originally posted by The Scenario
It does when his flesh is magically protected.

The Master Sword cannot destroy the ring. Its ridiculous. Only where it was made can it be unmade. At most the sword would supress the effects and powers of the ring while they were close to together.

IIRC in the novel it was several times stated that nothing they have access to would work, that they wouldn't burden lands beyond the sea. And other things like that. I mean dragon flames have already been shown to melt the rings of power, just as the volcano did to the One.

For instance, this line; "The Ring was unbreakable by any smithcraft less than his own. It was indissoluble in any fire, save the undying subterranean fire where it was made - and that was unapproachable, in Mordor"

That fire being magma. Curiously adding to that is that Mount Doom is the only Volcano (at least ever known or mentioned) in ME. Makes sense seeing as it wasn't formed naturally. Back to the point, if this is true and going by weaker fire melting the weaker rings, its a fair assumption that any magma would achieve this.

That or having smithcraft (or any powers that could work on that) at Sauron's rank.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. Knocking back multiple armored men that the made doesn't even strike back tarty some feet is more impressive than the ball and chain feat.

Sauron is also using one arm whereas link is immobile and using all his strength to wield the chain.

Or do you think the huge ice mass Blizzeta is only as heavy as a dozen humans?

Heck, you're lucky the LotR deleted scenes aren't being taken into consideration.

Originally posted by BloodRain
IIRC in the novel it was several times stated that nothing they have access to would work, that they wouldn't burden lands beyond the sea. And other things like that. I mean dragon flames have already been shown to melt the rings of power, just as the volcano did to the One.

For instance, this line; "The Ring was unbreakable by any smithcraft less than his own. It was indissoluble in any fire, save the undying subterranean fire where it was made - and that was unapproachable, in Mordor"

That fire being magma. Curiously adding to that is that Mount Doom is the only Volcano (at least ever known or mentioned) in ME. Makes sense seeing as it wasn't formed naturally. Back to the point, if this is true and going by weaker fire melting the weaker rings, its a fair assumption that any magma would achieve this.

That or having smithcraft (or any powers that could work on that) at Sauron's rank.

Seriously? Knocking 6 geared humans 30 ft back Vs Knocking ice several times Link's height wide and tall 30 ft back? Keeping in mind that ice the size of a human would weigh around 92% as much.

Or do you think the huge ice mass Blizzeta is only as heavy as a dozen humans?

Heck, you're lucky the LotR deleted scenes aren't being taken into consideration.

Are you saying that it wasn't his physical strength that launched them, but another force?

(And how is that meant to be greater than something a hundredfold the weight of any man?)

Originally posted by BloodRain
Are you saying that it wasn't his physical strength that launched them, but another force?

(And how is that meant to be greater than something a hundredfold the weight of any man?)

If I break a person's face with a baseball bat that doesn't mean my strength can replicate the bat's power.

Did you not just say "the mace did not have to come in direct contact with the men"? Because that says nothing but "no contact was made".

No but if you shatter a persons house to the ground with a baseball bat.. you're going to be stronger than a normal person. You're stuck on what was used, while blindly missing out on that fact that no matter how you look at it, an ice block the size of a house will be so much heavier than 6 geared men that even if you believe the lions share of the force comes from the B&C, the feat will still be above.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Did you not just say "the mace did not have to come in direct contact with the men"? Because that says nothing but "no contact was made".

No but if you shatter a persons house to the ground with a baseball bat.. you're going to be stronger than a normal person. You're stuck on what was used, while blindly missing out on that fact that no matter how you look at it, an ice block the size of a house will be so much heavier than 6 geared men that even if you believe the lions share of the force comes from the B&C, the feat will still be above.

It is irrelevant to Link and the master sword vs. Sauron and his mace. Link cannot produce the same force the mace can with his master sword. That has always been my point.

Undeniable.

Is that was caused the flashing lights? Wind?

Then your point is broken, so stick to your methaphor. Or my one; You punch a guy and he's thrown back 5 ft. I throw a boulder into Uluru and it shatters. Which one of us can hit harder?