Conan vs. Thor

Originally posted by FrothByte
We never saw any indication that Thor lost his speed and reflexes while depowered. We know he lost his strength, durability, and magical powers but if his fight with the SHIELD agents proved anything, he still maintained his speed and skill. I mean, it's not like he moved obviously faster in god mode as compared to when he was a human. The strength and durability difference was very obvious, but there was no discernible change in his skill or reflexes.

And I agree about the choreography. Older movies will always move slower than newer movies because choreography and camera work improved. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Conan moved and fought slower than Thor.

I don't think taking out shield agents proves he kept his godly speed. Why would Odin take away his other attributes, but leave his reflexes?

Originally posted by Psychotron
I don't think taking out shield agents proves he kept his godly speed. Why would Odin take away his other attributes, but leave his reflexes?

Because super speed and super reflexes are not part of his powers?

Think about it. There literally was no difference in how fast Thor moved during his depowered state compared to his powered state.
There was however a huge difference in his strength and durability. If his speed and reflexes were trully enhanced by his powers then we should have seen a significant difference in it. As it is, there was no indication that super speed and super reflexes were part of his power set (as compared to say someone like spiderman).

Besides, his fighting skill is not granted by his powers. And the centuries worth of fighting skill he has accumulated is still better than Conan's stint as a gladiator and barbarian.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because super speed and super reflexes are not part of his powers?

Think about it. There literally was no difference in how fast Thor moved during his depowered state compared to his powered state.
There was however a huge difference in his strength and durability. If his speed and reflexes were trully enhanced by his powers then we should have seen a significant difference in it. As it is, there was no indication that super speed and super reflexes were part of his power set (as compared to say someone like spiderman).

Besides, his fighting skill is not granted by his powers. And the centuries worth of fighting skill he has accumulated is still better than Conan's stint as a gladiator and barbarian.

When you write "super speed" how can you say it's not part of his powers? It's logical to assume that at the very least his super strength would let him move faster.

Centuries of experience of fighting as a god, being mortal is something else entirely. Besides if he was so good why didn't own the Hulk? Just because he has more experience doesn't mean he's better than Conan.

Powered: Blocks lasers

Depowered: Didn't

"No difference", lol.

Originally posted by Psychotron
When you write "super speed" how can you say it's not part of his powers? It's logical to assume that at the very least his super strength would let him move faster.

Centuries of experience of fighting as a god, being mortal is something else entirely. Besides if he was so good why didn't own the Hulk? Just because he has more experience doesn't mean he's better than Conan.

I can say it's not part of his super powers because he has never showed it. Unless you can show a feat where he displayed some form of super speed?

"If he was so good why didn't he own the Hulk?"

Actually, it was his skill that allowed him to slug it out with Hulk despite Hulk's greater strength and durability. Thor landed more shots in that fight, and that's due to his greater skill. If he had super speed and super reflexes, then he really should have dominated that fight and Hulk and IM should never have been able to hit him.

And even if we did assume that Thor's speed and reflexes are augmented by his powers, it's obviously not by much since there was no big difference between his fighting speed as a human compared to as a god. Which brings me back to my original post: Thor is faster and more skilled than Conan.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Powered: Blocks lasers

Depowered: Didn't

"No difference", lol.

He was never shot at with lasers while he was human. In fact, he was never shot at period.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's logical to assume that at the very least his super strength would let him move faster.

I agree that this makes sense. But how much does strength amp speed though? If greater strength was directly proportional to speed then we should have seen a huge amp in his speed when he got his powers back. But as it is, the difference was barely noticeable.

So while it's entirely possible that his super strength does augment his speed, it's apparently not by much since we barely notice it.

Hulk actually has shown super speed and reflexes. Especially Avengers.

As mortal Thor was shown being faster than Conan, does it really matter if he has superspeed while powered?

Has anyone else in this thread seen the Conan films in the last year or so? I'm just curious; they are old films.

Also, the OP should specify if this is as of the first or second movie, because Conan is wiser and in much better shape in the second film. And Destroyer-Conan like routinely punches out horses, camels, and outfights Bombaata, who can lift up people and kill them with one hand. And this is when he isn't deadlifting heavy things and killing anything in front of him.

While 80's choreography does not aid Conan much here, I favor him in weapon combat over Thor; because he has the reach, his weapon can kill easier, and Thor is not used to using de-powered mallet combat form (He is used to having his epic powers and Mjolnir's as well). If anything, at the last battle of the original film, Conan gets hit by a mega-mallet from Thorgrim while riding on horse back (Thorgrim being acted by Swedish strongman Sven-Ole Thorsen) with only a few seconds' daze. Thor will need to work into Conan's guard somehow and kill this guy with a few blows to the head yet not get stabbed, cut, or lose his weapon in a scuffle. While I imagine Thor is a good fighter in any case, I don't see him doing well on average with these drawbacks.

In H2H, I'm not sure. I might rewatch Thor again and re-evaluate, but they're both about the same size, with Conan having more strength feats to his name. And Conan is not a stranger to H2H; his fight in the gladiator games and his throw-down with Bombaata tell us.

Here's the Palace fight from the first film. I submitted it for both the fighting evaluation value and to see (at 1:20ish seconds) how retard-strong Thorgrim is for comparison.

Conan wins the weaponry fight.

This is inarguable.

Mjolnir is bullshit as an actual weapon when stripped of its enchantment.

Mjolnir is bullshit as a weapon or a tool. No arguments he loses the weapons fight.

Thor beats up SHIELD mooks.

Thor seems to move much better. He has similar size to Conan, but is faster, and his ability to adapt and strike is pretty impressive. Conan has probably more strength, but I'm not entirely convinced it will make the difference. I lean in favor of Thor here.

A hammer or short mallet is a pathetic weapon against a sword. Used by any other warrior it would almost automatically be a loss. We have to consider that Thor is used to fighting other sword wielding opponents using Mjolnir though, and he doesn't always use Mjolnir's enchantment. A lot of times he just uses Mjolnir for melee attacks. So who knows, he might just be skilled enough to beat Conan with a normal hammer.

Plus like I said, he has reflexes fast enough to block laser fire, so blocking sword strikes shouldn't be too far out of his league.

H2H fight: Thor 8/10
Weapons fight: 50/50

I will give Thor this. He is used to fighting with and training with Hogun, Volstagg, Sif, and Fandral. People who use a Mace/Nunchaku, Battleaxe, Sword/Shield Combo, and Fencing Saber.

Originally posted by FrothByte

Plus like I said, he has reflexes fast enough to block laser fire

Anyone who thinks he beats Conan with an unpowered Mjolnir is an idiot. 👆

Thor is far more powerful than the Warriors Three and Sif, training with them while using Mjolnir's enchantment to make up for its terrible design mean nothing.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Thor is far more powerful than the Warriors Three and Sif, training with them while using Mjolnir's enchantment to make up for its terrible design mean nothing.

It means he's used to fighting against weapons with far greater reach than his own.

The only enchantment movie Mjolnir is stated to have is the "if he be worthy".

Well that and the "throw/return" But he doesn't just chuck his hammer at them every single time.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove he can do this as a mortal.

Anyone who thinks he beats Conan with an unpowered Mjolnir is an idiot. 👆

Thor is far more powerful than the Warriors Three and Sif, training with them while using Mjolnir's enchantment to make up for its terrible design mean nothing.

Prove that his speed/reflexes are significantly less when he's a mortal.