Captain America 3

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah everyone knows is not the Nolan Bats. If it was BvS would be pretty much guaranteed to make 1.5bill. Nevertheless Nolan has made the character of Batman more popular than he's ever been. And it's the popularity of a character that brings in the box office.

For example, look at what a piece of crap IM3 was. But it just raked in the money. Why? Because IM's popularity was just Massive right after Avengers.

Say what you want about mixed reviews of MOS, but end of the day enough people purchased it when it was available to buy. Which shows people will pay to see the sequel/expansion of that film. Superman Returns on the other hand got great reviews. But sold poorly. So WB knew people wouldn't show up to a sequel, and needed to reboot.

nah we have to agree to disagree on that...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah everyone knows is not the Nolan Bats. If it was BvS would be pretty much guaranteed to make 1.5bill. Nevertheless Nolan has made the character of Batman more popular than he's ever been. And it's the popularity of a character that brings in the box office.

For example, look at what a piece of crap IM3 was. But it just raked in the money. Why? Because IM's popularity was just Massive right after Avengers.

Say what you want about mixed reviews of MOS, but end of the day enough people purchased it when it was available to buy. Which shows people will pay to see the sequel/expansion of that film. Superman Returns on the other hand got great reviews. But sold poorly. So WB knew people wouldn't show up to a sequel, and needed to reboot.

I'll agree on this part but if BVS is a bad movie overall then this goodwill might not last into JLA or even the solo Batman. Nolan's Batman is so great because of the story it puts Batman in. It was also terrible stories like Forever and Batman and Robin that ruined the character as well. If BVS has a poor storyline and a bunch of explosions, the Batman love will not last for mild fans of Batman. I wonder how much of that love is for Batman and how much is it for Nolan's story/vision.

Cap 3 makes more money for sure if Age of Ultron is as good of better than Avengers. How would that multiplier even work? Avengers boosted Winter Soldier and Iron Man 3. Age of Ultron would do the same. But would IM3 and Winter Soldiers also boost it? If Civil is as good as Winter Soldiers, it might have some legs like it's predecessor.

At one put people were sure BvS was going to beat Cap 3, now it's a whole different game.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I'll agree on this part but if BVS is a bad movie overall then this goodwill might not last into JLA or even the solo Batman. Nolan's Batman is so great because of the story it puts Batman in. It was also terrible stories like Forever and Batman and Robin that ruined the character as well. If BVS has a poor storyline and a bunch of explosions, the Batman love will not last for mild fans of Batman. I wonder how much of that love is for Batman and how much is it for Nolan's story/vision.

Oh yeah of course. Nolan left the love for Batman in a good place. But if they start screwing up going forward, then that will all change. Just saying BvS is coming off a lot of hype and popularity for the character. It's upto the film itself though to keep and build on that or to just completely destroy all of that.

Right now people think their love for Batman and their love for Nolan's Batman is the same thing. But if BvS screws up then they suddenly might start differentiating between Nolan Batman(the one they love) and Other versions of Batman(the ones they couldn't care less about).

On the other hand IM gets away with IM2 and IM3 being sub-standard due to his massive roles in the Avenger movies keeping and further boosting his massive popularity up.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh yeah of course. Nolan left the love for Batman in a good place. But if they start screwing up going forward, then that will all change. Just saying BvS is coming off a lot of hype and popularity for the character. It's upto the film itself though to keep and build on that or to just completely destroy all of that.

Right now people think their love for Batman and their love for Nolan's Batman is the same thing. But if BvS screws up then they suddenly might start differentiating between Nolan Batman(the one they love) and Other versions of Batman(the ones they couldn't care less about).

On the other hand IM gets away with IM2 and IM3 being sub-standard due to his massive roles in the Avenger movies keeping and further boosting his massive popularity up.

Agreed with everything you said until the last part.

IM gets away with IM2 and IM3 because even if people thought the movies sucked, RDJ was still awesome in them. BTW, lots of people loved IM3 - myself included.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Agreed with everything you said until the last part.

IM gets away with IM2 and IM3 because even if people thought the movies sucked, RDJ was still awesome in them. BTW, lots of people loved IM3 - myself included.

I will have to say it's both (RDJ & Avengers) for now. But yeah, RDJ was great in IM3; however, the movie was just bad in certain areas. RDJ's brand wasn't tarnished by IM3 at all, Shane Black's was.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Agreed with everything you said until the last part.

IM gets away with IM2 and IM3 because even if people thought the movies sucked, RDJ was still awesome in them. BTW, lots of people loved IM3 - myself included.

Of course RDJ is awesome in the part. But if there was no Avengers that franchise would have started going down Imo, based on the shitty sequels.

Arny is an awesome Terminator. But that alone won't save the franchise.

Nah IM3 just sucked. But when a character has become so popular, many people will just blind themselves to a lack of quality (as long as it's not consistent).

I think RDJ's performance in Avengers and how great the movie was over all gave fans and new fans the idea that IM3 was going to be great as well. It wipe the IM2 image out of their mind. The marketing of Mandarin and it's hype also drove this. Marvel looked to be doing amazing things with IM3 until people actually saw the movie. lol

IM2 wasn't bad; the story was just mediocre. RDJ was still great in it.

Daniel Bruhl has joined the cast.. i think i know who though...

http://www.superherohype.com/news/322213-captain-america-civil-war-adds-daniel-bruhl-in-mystery-role

Originally posted by Firefly218
Wow, what a perfect casting. This guy is incredibly talented and gives a brilliant performance in Rush.

Yeah, he's a fantastic actor.

I only know the guy from Inglorius Basterds.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I only know the guy from Inglorius Basterds.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I only know the guy from Inglorius Basterds.

Rush is a very good film

So is it free to assume he's Mordo?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So is it free to assume he's Mordo?

More like Red Hood. Lol. I'm thinking Zemo, though. Likely, he'll be the division of Hydra that researches magic and comes into contact with Dormammu or working with Mordo. The guy is German, and seeing as how they pick Thomas Kretschmann to play Baron Strucker, he is likely going to be playing a Hydra villain. It also makes more sense because Winter Soldier sets up Strucker already so why would Mordo even be involved? Plus Bruhl looks nothing like Mordo.

Apparently they've been in the same movie before.

Zemo and Strucker side by side, the best of buddies.

According to some source from Variety, Crossbones will be the main villain for this movie.

Originally posted by Kazenji
According to some source from Variety, Crossbones will be the main villain for this movie.

I'd be okay with that

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So is it free to assume he's Mordo?

or Zemo

Scarlett Johannson joins Cap 3 as Black Widow

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/english/hollywood/news/Scarlett-Johansson-Robert-Downey-Jr-set-to-join-Chris-Evans-in-Captain-America-3/articleshow/45921244.cms