Isn't Bills like a galaxy buster or something according to statements? And Whis is massively FTL (in movement, at least). Doubt Omega Shenron or anybody in GT has anything to top that stuff. And you can't really powerscale from Z to GT because of the latter being non-canon.
Plus, Bills is an actual god in DB.
Originally posted by Q99👆
Omega Shenron. Going by power scaling, the top GT stuff is IMO a bigger boost than Bills is above the DBZ stuff.
Originally posted by TheTyrantWhile GT is non-canon to Z, Z is still canon to GT. So yes, logical power-scaling can be used for GT.
Isn't Bills like a galaxy buster or something according to statements? And Whis is massively FTL (in movement, at least). Doubt Omega Shenron or anybody in GT has anything to top that stuff. And you can't really powerscale from Z to GT because of the latter being non-canon.Plus, Bills is an actual god in DB.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Isn't Bills like a galaxy buster or something according to statements? And Whis is massively FTL (in movement, at least). Doubt Omega Shenron or anybody in GT has anything to top that stuff. And you can't really powerscale from Z to GT because of the latter being non-canon.Plus, Bills is an actual god in DB.
This.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆While GT is non-canon to Z, Z is still canon to GT. So yes, logical power-scaling can be used for GT.
Even then, what feats do GT characters have that would make them superior to Bills? And imo we can't really powerscale off of anything either since we don't really know what GT characters were capable of in terms of speed, destructive capacity, etc. Nothing quantifiable was given. It's just speculation that GT takes place after Battle of Gods. As far as I know at least.
Originally posted by TheTyrantNot necessarily. You just have to connect the dots, is all. 🙂
Even then, what feats do GT characters have that would make them superior to Bills? And imo we can't really powerscale off of anything either since we don't really know what GT characters were capable of in terms of speed, destructive capacity, etc. Nothing quantifiable was given.
In GT, Goku stated that base Rildo was "even more powerful than Majin Buu"--yet Goku went on to stalemate Rildo as a base-level Saiyan. Thus we know base-level GT Goku~SSJ3 Z Goku, as that was the power required to contend with Majin Buu in Z. Subsequently, this means base-level GT Goku is at least 400x> base-level Z Goku(remember, in Z a SSJ3 is 400x> base.) And given how easily Goku trounced Frieza and Cell as a base-level Saiyan, the above seems completely logical.
When GT Goku went SSJ later on in their battle, his power increased "a hundred fold" according to Rildo. This means SSJ GT Goku was roughly 100x more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku.
Even if we assume the SSJ2-SSJ3 multipliers were the same in GT as they were in Z(they were probably much greater, given the above) then it puts SSJ2 GT Goku at 200x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and SSJ3 GT Goku at 800x> SSJ3 Z Goku.
If we then use the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of 10x a SSJ3, it puts SSJ4 Goku at 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and 3,200,000x> base-level Z Goku. Given all the hype a SSJ4 was given by the Kais+the fact that it was powerful enough to override a wish from the all-powerful Black Star Dragon+plus having Super-Baby as a visible gauge between a SSJ3 and a SSJ4... The 10x multiplier certainly isn't an overestimation, imo.
Now we can factor in Omega Shenron. He effortlessly trounced SSJ4 Goku AND SSJ4 Vegeta at the same time, in a ridiculously...laughably...retardedly one-sided shit-stomp.
ie. Omega Shenron>>>>SSJ4 Goku(8,000x)>SSJ3 Z Goku.
All of that being said, Omega Shenron was, in all likelihood, tenS of thousandS of timeS more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku. I simply don't think Bills was portrayed as that much more powerful than Z Goku(and for good reason.)
Originally posted by TheTyrantBoG takes place 5 years after the battle with Majin Buu--the 28th WMAT(the final canon 'arc' of Z) takes place 10 years after the battle with Buu--GT begins 5 years after the conclusion of Z.
It's just speculation that GT takes place after Battle of Gods. As far as I know at least.
So basically there's a 10 year gap between BoG and GT.
Originally posted by BloodRain👆
Regaining his adult body while in the S4 state.Eh, I wouldnt say fingering Goku would be that powerful, based on DB showings. Like how S1Gohan was somewhat below Cell, but with a 2x boost he was able to walk through. I'm sure the opposite happens too, making things a little hard to judge.
As a conservation estimate, SSJ4 Goku was roughly 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku. Given that Omega Shenron effortlessly tooled not one, but two SSJ4's simultaneously, his power was certainly between 3-4x> an individual SSJ4. This means he was somewhere between 24,000-32,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku(again, this is a very conservative estimate.) No way in hell you'll get me to believe Bills was that far beyond Goku, fingering be damned.