DD has three things that defeat any attempt at Superman beating him.
1. Instant Healing Factor (The moment DD hits Superman away he heals and is back new)
2. Adapting ability (DD adapts more resistance and new weapons and tactics and defenses against Superman if need be)
3. Those claw projections are going to penetrate Superman like water again.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD has three things that defeat any attempt at Superman beating him.1. Instant Healing Factor (The moment DD hits Superman away he heals and is back new)
2. Adapting ability (DD adapts more resistance and new weapons and tactics and defenses against Superman if need be)
3. Those claw projections are going to penetrate Superman like water again.
Superman has no mental blocks here.
He wins.
The House Of El decrees it!
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That was Doomsday Rex, HP DD would wreck Rex. On the next page or two we see some, Matrix style " the is no spoon" PIS to explain that Doomsday can't hurt him as long as he "believes" that he can't. Superman, not holding back, and armed with the knowledge he has gained from fighting Doomsday in the past, should be enough. Yes Doomsday can heal from damage, but his rate of healing depends on the severity of damage(a couple days from the damage from DoS, a month or more after being reduced to a skeleton in OWAW). Superman, when he was holding back, was able to use the the combination of a high energy sword and his own physical strength to cut Doomsday rather deeply and it took an unopened number of seconds for Doomsday to heal. Using his own power to full potentialhe should be able to use his HV like a light saber for a quick decapitation. Of course Doomsday would eventually recover, but it would be enough for a forum win. The real question is "If Doomsday were to be decapitated would the head and body need to be reunited with the head or would the head and or body regenerate independently like a starfish, potentially creating two Doomsday?"
Superman knows how fast he has to go:Doomsday ain't touching him.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynHe had no mental blocks when he was amped by mother box. He knew he was stronger, he knew it was not enough and he knew he was at his very limit and that h2h, HP would have killed him. His only chance against HP is to fly away and bask in the sun for a prolonged period of time. He gave it his everything and got beaten down. But i guess that loss can be accounted to " mental blocks " holding him back and somehow contradicting what was show on panel huh? Superman himself said he made a mistake by trying to brawl it out with dos doomsday and to try that with this DD would get him killed even with his amp.
Superman wins.No mental blocks.
Originally posted by Brockalizerthe energy sword was beyond Superman's power because it cut doomsday like that. Hv isn't doing anything to DD.
That was Doomsday Rex, HP DD would wreck Rex. On the next page or two we see some, Matrix style " the is no spoon" PIS to explain that Doomsday can't hurt him as long as he "believes" that he can't. Superman, not holding back, and armed with the knowledge he has gained from fighting Doomsday in the past, should be enough. Yes Doomsday can heal from damage, but his rate of healing depends on the severity of damage(a couple days from the damage from DoS, a month or more after being reduced to a skeleton in OWAW). Superman, when he was holding back, was able to use the the combination of a high energy sword and his own physical strength to cut Doomsday rather deeply and it took an unopened number of seconds for Doomsday to heal. Using his own power to full potentialhe should be able to use his HV like a light saber for a quick decapitation. Of course Doomsday would eventually recover, but it would be enough for a forum win. The real question is "If Doomsday were to be decapitated would the head and body need to be reunited with the head or would the head and or body regenerate independently like a starfish, potentially creating two Doomsday?"
Superman is far more powerful now, or rather, was at the end of the preboot universe, than he was in H/P.
How much Doomsday scales to him, imo, is what would decide things.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I know that was Doomsday Rex......but proof that H/P DD is significantly faster than Rex? Fast enough that the Flash trickery wouldn't work?
doomsday's speed generally scales to superman's, reaction-wise.
DD definitely scales to Superman as seen in OWAW. DD was shattering probes like tissue paper. Superman was not holding back and thus was at least several times more powerful than his normal self. Thus DD was more powerful than a normal more recent Superman. Hell he was more powerful than a non holding back OWAW Superman.
It's been said by writers, IIRC, that Superman is ultimately even more powerful than HP Doomsday--though I'm sure it is close.
Superman loses most fights, but if we are stipulating Superman at his all-out, very best, then yes, he'd have a small edge.
BTW My reading of Doomsday Rex was that Superman's reversal was as much about Superman becoming confident as it was about Doomsday losing his.
p.s. OWAW was long ago. It could be that as seen in the Doomsday Rex arc, and later treatments of Doomsday (by Kal-L) iirc that Superman simply became more powerful than even HP Doomsday by the end. But following classic comic logic, this power boost would only be seen 1v1, as Superman didn't seem to show that kind of boosted power 'against the field'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tricksy.What would your view be in a forum fight? CIS still on etc?
Doomsday could win, definitely.
I just think preboot Superman was at a point where he was more of a match for that Doomsday than at any other time.
Of course, if you scale H/P to that Superman, well, Superman's ****ed.