Why did you place Gaara at number seven? He would stomp all of them, including Killer Bee, with little to no effort. It takes a few jutsu, or an amaterasu, with some Susano'o stomping at the end, to kill them all pretty easily. Depends on what Naruto this is. Current might have a pretty good chance(not the dead version, lol), but otherwise I can't see him A. breaking the Yata mirror with ANY of his techniques, and B. being able to counter Itachi's multitude of jutsu, his war hardened sharingan, his strategic fighting style, OR C. him spamming Tsukiyomi, which Naruto has no defense against whatsoever, which would ultimately lead to his loss. Itachi clears the gauntlet, unless they all take him at once. 👆
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Gaara is stronger than everyone who comes before him and their is literally nothing showing otherwise.He just happens to be much weaker than Bee and Naruto. Less Bee than Naruto but the point stands.
The first 6 are basically not in this thread for all intents and purposes.
Not much weaker than B though. Unless you think Kisame with Samehada is significantly more powerful than Deidara.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Itachi's not beating BM Naruto. He'd get blitzed before he can use Tsukuyomi or Susano'o. If the battle starts with him having complete Susano'o along with Yata Mirror, the he might have a chance. And Gaara ain't shit, he lost to a mid-tier Akatsuki member.
Itachi has better control with Amaterasu than Sasuke does. All he has to do is make a barrier out of Amaterasu covering his body until he pulls out Susano'o. Naruto would be retarded to attack that, as he would get killed without pulling a Raikage and cutting off whatever part of him gets burned, which puts him at a colossal disadvantage that he wouldn't risk unless the attack he would land would insta-kill Itachi, which he knows it wouldn't.
Even if he started charging a biju-ball, it would be moot as Itachi would have Susano'o with the Yata mirror up by the time he launched it, which is when it gets deflected, and injures Naruto, which would make it simple for a single Yasaka Magatama to kill Naruto. That would be a two-hit kill. The only way Naruto could win this is with Sage mode, with things like Kawazu Kumite to get in a powerful hit very quickly without having to be really close to Itachi, which he wouldn't think to immediately use.
Either way, Naruto has no chance against Itachi. He just has too many defenses against Naruto's techniques. If he started in sage mode, and he made a few clones to use Rasen Shuriken while he tagged Itachi with Kawazu kumite to distract him, he has a feasible chance of winning, but even then, Itachi still has Izanagi and Izanami. Itachi wins no matter what in this scenario.
Only current Naruto could win, and only because he can instantly summon Kurama to use a biju ball like it's nothing, and then teleport behind him to do it again while he's preoccupied on the first one. Only Naruto's heavy-hitters like that in Biju mode could hit Itachi, and only from current Naruto because he's so cheap.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Not much weaker than B though. Unless you think Kisame with Samehada is significantly more powerful than Deidara.
I don't know about that. Gaara is stronger in my opinion. He easily deflected one of Raikage's strongest attacks with no effort, as well as Amaterasu. I doubt Bee could have done that, or defeat Gaara's dad. Gaara has gotten MUCH stronger since he died against Deidara.
Also, Kisame was hilariously stronger than Deidara, as he could have killed Raikage AND Killer Bee with a 10% full power clone. Not to mention he could beat almost anyone if he used that water dome thing he used on Killer Bee. Anyone with opposite chakra nature that is. He would render Gaara useless, as well as Deidara. Without his sand, Gaara's useless, but Killer Bee wouldn't be able to take it away, so Gaara would win.
I think Naruto could win when he had Kurama's chakra but before the partnership. All those S-rank clones at their high-level of speed that can force Itachi to use high chakra moves and wear himself down.
Itachi can't really use his genjutsu because of the sensory abilities, they can fight eyes-closed. And his one shot izana*i techniques aren't game winners, they only get one save. Izanami isn't going to work well against someone like Naruto.
Itachi vs Sage Naruto is a fight that Itachi probably wins, though possibly at cost.
Itachi vs Kyuubi Chakra Naruto is one where I'm heavily betting on Naruto.
Originally posted by Q99
I think Naruto could win when he had Kurama's chakra but before the partnership. All those S-rank clones at their high-level of speed that can force Itachi to use high chakra moves and wear himself down.Itachi can't really use his genjutsu because of the sensory abilities, they can fight eyes-closed. And his one shot izana*i techniques aren't game winners, they only get one save. Izanami isn't going to work well against someone like Naruto.
Itachi vs Sage Naruto is a fight that Itachi probably wins, though possibly at cost.
Itachi vs Kyuubi Chakra Naruto is one where I'm heavily betting on Naruto.
Again, Naruto's clones in BM won't help him. Itachi could make a shield of amaterasu, and go Susano'o while spreading the Amaterasu among the clones, maybe even normal fire ball jutsu.
Itachi's senses surpass Naruto's. He could distinguish which Naruto was real with sharingan like it ain't shit. Then he could easily seal him permanently with a single stab, while deflecting the Biju bomb he throws at him.
I'm not saying Itachi won't have to use hella chakra, but he can still do this with relative ease.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Not much weaker than B though. Unless you think Kisame with Samehada is significantly more powerful than Deidara.
The comparison shouldn't be between the Akatsuki members who beat them but the characters themselves. Bee has multiple Bijuu Bombs. What can Gaara do to stop them?
Also SSJGGogeta you are severely overestimating Itachi. Naruto crushes him.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again, Naruto's clones in BM won't help him. Itachi could make a shield of amaterasu, and go Susano'o while spreading the Amaterasu among the clones, maybe even normal fire ball jutsu.
The clones avoid the amaterasu with their high speed (A did, after all) unless there's additional trickery involved, and then throw rasenshuriken at him.
Remember, amaterasu is very high fatigue on Itachi. Susano'o even more-so. Regular fireballs not strong enough to do the job
"Makes someone use their highest jutsu on a renewable resource," is a good move for Naruto, it means he wins. If Itachi has to use multiple amaterasu and susano'o in order to take out, say, 3-4 clones, then he's almost keeling over dead at that point, it's game over, Naruto wins.
Naruto made, what, 6 S-class clones during the war? Even a lone one isn't going to be easy prey, and Itachi's best tricks weaken him.
Itachi's senses surpass Naruto's. He could distinguish which Naruto was real with sharingan like it ain't shit. Then he could easily seal him permanently with a single stab, while deflecting the Biju bomb he throws at him
Not even a major problem. Real Naruto can stay back and well out of range, and even when target, Naruto has his 'yellow flash' speed to dodge Susano'o's sword or what have you.
Naruto can't throw biju-bombs yet in the form I'm talking about- by the time he can, it's just too one-sided in his favor.
I'm not saying Itachi won't have to use hella chakra, but he can still do this with relative ease.
Sounds to me like he's going to be run dry against Naruto's very high powered clones.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Also all of these characters lack appreciable feats to make them a challenge to Itachi. Gaara would put up a decent fight but would lose. Killer Bee could potentially beat him. And Naruto Lolstomps.
Fu should be an interesting fight- she has flight and blinding scales.
Not going to win, but she shuts down most of his eye technique and make him pull out his big guns.
Originally posted by Q99
The clones avoid the amaterasu with their high speed (A did, after all) unless there's additional trickery involved, and then throw rasenshuriken at him.Remember, amaterasu is very high fatigue on Itachi. Susano'o even more-so. Regular fireballs not strong enough to do the job
"Makes someone use their highest jutsu on a renewable resource," is a good move for Naruto, it means he wins. If Itachi has to use multiple amaterasu and susano'o in order to take out, say, 3-4 clones, then he's almost keeling over dead at that point, it's game over, Naruto wins.
Naruto made, what, 6 S-class clones during the war? Even a lone one isn't going to be easy prey, and Itachi's best tricks weaken him.
Not even a major problem. Real Naruto can stay back and well out of range, and even when target, Naruto has his 'yellow flash' speed to dodge Susano'o's sword or what have you.
Naruto can't throw biju-bombs yet in the form I'm talking about- by the time he can, it's just too one-sided in his favor.
Sounds to me like he's going to be run dry against Naruto's very high powered clones.
I don't think that comparing the amaterasu from someone who just learned it and someone who has used and mastered it before the other even attained Sharingan is fair at all. Itachi still has the Amaterasu shotgun and Inferno style flame control, according to Danzo. Naruto's clones would be fodder, and even a normal fire ball landed on them would destroy them all. The porting still won't be able to overcome the Sharingan reaction advantage that Itachi has, along with his ability to shoot amaterasu from anywhere.
Naruto at that stage couldn't use more than ten clones in that form at the most. They would all be wiped out by Susano'o using all four hands with amaterasu blades doing a 360 swipe to destroy them all at once, leaving Naruto slightly winded with no more clones.
If real Naruto stayed out of range, Itachi would be at an advantage, by using Susano'o to stab him while Naruto can't get close enough to do anything other than get his Rasenshuriken deflected.
If Naruto fought at medium range, he'd be dealing with a Yasaka Magatam which is about equal to a full power developed biju bomb, and his own attack being sent back at him.
At short range, Itachi spams Amaterasu shotgun and flame control with some genjutsu mixed in to kill Naruto in a few seconds like nothing. His only chance would be to surprise Itachi, which he just can't do with Itachi's developed Sharingan.
You're assuming for some reason that because the Naruto clones lasted so long against other ninja in the war, that they can't be destroyed with a single, solid hit. Even a small punch from Itachi would destroy them, but he would need to use genjutsu to land that hit, which still would barely use any of his chakra, as with 10% of his strength he used like 3 genjutsu's, a few giant fireballs and Tsukiyomi while also fighting with Taijutsu.
No matter how this fight goes, no Naruto other than current Naruto can beat Itachi. Possibly sage mode, but Itachi still has sharingan, making it a longer fight at the very least.
Itachi just has to pull out some quick crowd control techniques and then stomp Naruto with some genjutsu and Sharingan abilities spamming.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
The comparison shouldn't be between the Akatsuki members who beat them but the characters themselves. Bee has multiple Bijuu Bombs. What can Gaara do to stop them?Also SSJGGogeta you are severely overestimating Itachi. Naruto crushes him.
Again with the assumptions. If you want to prove that I'm wrong and that you're not a babbling fanboy, then explain to me HOW Naruto, besides current Naruto, can beat Itachi.
Originally posted by Q99
Fu should be an interesting fight- she has flight and blinding scales.Not going to win, but she shuts down most of his eye technique and make him pull out his big guns.
Still a simple genjutsu followed by Amaterasu finish. She wouldn't even be able to keep up with him in a Taijutsu fight though. Sharingan, speed and strength should all go to him unless she uses her Biju. Then she just gives Itachi a bigger target though, and he either uses Amaterasu, or to avoid her spreading it with her wings, he stabs her with Susano'o real quick.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again with the assumptions. If you want to prove that I'm wrong and that you're not a babbling fanboy, then explain to me HOW Naruto, besides current Naruto, can beat Itachi.
I see no reason why I wouldn't use Current Naruto, that is to say with Kurama on his side, in the argument since that is the one in this thread. KCM Naruto could fight relatively evenly with Itachi while Itachi usually beats Sage Mode Naruto.
Bijuu Naruto, the mode he got in the fight against Tobi's Six Paths, is leagues above Itachi based purely on showings. His first showing was casually deflecting multiple Bijuu Bombs which is pretty much>>>anything Itachi has done.
Now Itachi has genjutsu that would beat Naruto but Naruto doesn't need to look into his eyes to fight and simple genjutsu can be broken out of.
Itachi has Amaterasu? Naruto is much much much faster than a man who dodged it point blank. This is a non-factor.
Itachi's Susano'o is the best bet and even then it is not enough. Naruto is the fastest ninja alive, and in terms of short term distances probably in history, and Itachi won't be tagging him with his super sword. And the mirror...remind me again what the Yata Mirror has canonically done. Not "oh this mirror can deflect anything." What has the Mirror been shown deflecting?
Originally posted by Q99
I think Naruto could win when he had Kurama's chakra but before the partnership. All those S-rank clones at their high-level of speed that can force Itachi to use high chakra moves and wear himself down.Itachi can't really use his genjutsu because of the sensory abilities, they can fight eyes-closed. And his one shot izana*i techniques aren't game winners, they only get one save. Izanami isn't going to work well against someone like Naruto.
Itachi vs Sage Naruto is a fight that Itachi probably wins, though possibly at cost.
Itachi vs Kyuubi Chakra Naruto is one where I'm heavily betting on Naruto.
Healthy Itachi's not having trouble against Sage Mode Naruto from what we have seen. Edo Tensei Itachi was physically keeping up with RM Naruto and even got Killer B under his genjutsu-that's without using Mangekyo Sharingan. RM Naruto vs alive and healthy Itachi would be the closest fight they can have, but Itachi would still win imo.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Now Itachi has genjutsu that would beat Naruto but Naruto doesn't need to look into his eyes to fight and simple genjutsu can be broken out of.Itachi has Amaterasu? Naruto is much much much faster than a man who dodged it point blank. This is a non-factor.
And the mirror...remind me again what the Yata Mirror has canonically done. Not "oh this mirror can deflect anything." What has the Mirror been shown deflecting?
Itachi doesn't need his eyes for genjutsu though. That's only the case for Tsukuyomi at Itachi's level. And the Mirror has hype and reputation; I think Zetsu knows his shit, being the intel collector, the spy and all that.
You guys also need to keep in mind that RM Naruto only fought evenly with Edo Tensei Itachi. This is healthy Itachi while alive and we know that alive > Edo resurrected. Really, we can only speculate on how powerful Itachi would be while healthy. He never had an all-out fight in the manga.