Itachi runs the Jinchuriki Gauntlet

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I see no reason why I wouldn't use Current Naruto, that is to say with Kurama on his side, in the argument since that is the one in this thread. KCM Naruto could fight relatively evenly with Itachi while Itachi usually beats Sage Mode Naruto.

Bijuu Naruto, the mode he got in the fight against Tobi's Six Paths, is leagues above Itachi based purely on showings. His first showing was casually deflecting multiple Bijuu Bombs which is pretty much>>>anything Itachi has done.

Now Itachi has genjutsu that would beat Naruto but Naruto doesn't need to look into his eyes to fight and simple genjutsu can be broken out of.

Itachi has Amaterasu? Naruto is much much much faster than a man who dodged it point blank. This is a non-factor.

Itachi's Susano'o is the best bet and even then it is not enough. Naruto is the fastest ninja alive, and in terms of short term distances probably in history, and Itachi won't be tagging him with his super sword. And the mirror...remind me again what the Yata Mirror has canonically done. Not "oh this mirror can deflect anything." What has the Mirror been shown deflecting?

Again with the lack of feats argument. I hate when people say this shit. Just because Itachi's never fought anyone nearly as strong as him, you say he can't do shit. I guess Whiss from DBZ is weak as **** too. Itachi stated Yata mirror could deflect ANY attack. It only had three feats though, so you say it can't deflect anything other than the strongest thing it deflected. Kirin was the power of a thunderstorm, as stated by Sasuke, which is dozens of lightning bolts. The explosion it made even when deflected is superior to any biju that didn't come from the ten tails. You obviously accepted the statement from Orochimaru that said the Totsuka blade sealed anyone for all eternity in a drunken stupor, but you don't accept the statement that Yata mirror can deflect anything? Why is that? Maybe because you ignore the facts that don't support your debate? I wonder...

Naruto has no talent with genjutsu whatsoever. Even when confronted with a 10% full power clone of Itachi, Naruto couldn't dispel his simple genjutsu activated by POINTING. All Itachi has to do is point, and Naruto is getting vaporized by an amaterasu that he can't move to dodge. He might be stronger than Itachi in his RM, but he still has no defense to counter Itachi's techniques, all of which Itachi DOES.

Itachi can counter anything that ANY Naruto dishes out on him, including multiple biju bombs, teleporting(that he can see through, predict and react to at LS), Rasengan variations that he could easily block or dodge, or any other technique that Naruto has. Which isn't many, considering he only spams like five techniques in the whole series. Rasengan, Shadow clones, Teleporting(recently), Biju Bomb(recently) and Sage/KCM modes. Itachi would obliterate him with his massive variety of attacks, as I've just proven.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
he could easily block or dodge

I don't think he can easily dodge Naruto, he's much faster than Itachi.

Originally posted by Bentley
I don't think he can easily dodge Naruto, he's much faster than Itachi.

The only time Naruto's faster than Itachi is while teleporting, or in any of his alternate forms. Even then, Itachi still has a developed, war-hardened sharingan that can read his predictable movements and dodge them like they're nothing. Itachi at full health with no disease would be much faster, stronger and powerful with chakra, like he was in Edo Tensei mode, where he was faster and stronger than Sasuke, who has proven lately to be very similar in physical stats to Chakra mode Naruto.

Again, there's no way for Naruto to get through Itachi's massive arsenal, that includes a simple defense and counter for everything and anything that Naruto could muster.

Barring the Yata Mirror, which is only one kind of defense, I don't see Itachi as Naruto's superior in defense. Is there any imposed limitation to Naruto's modes heres?

Originally posted by Bentley
Barring the Yata Mirror, which is only one kind of defense, I don't see Itachi as Naruto's superior in defense. Is there any imposed limitation to Naruto's modes heres?

Naruto can be killed by simple Biju bombs if he can't teleport away from them or dodge them in some way. Itachi can deflect something that has arguably equal to more destructive power in an instant. The only thing you've argued so far, is "I don't see Naruto as Itachi's lesser, because Naruto's the main character, and I will not change my warped opinion.".

I've already explained this. It's not my fault that you can't accept the facts.

Also, "heres"? What was that supposed to be? If it was correct, then what is it/does it mean, because I might just be having a brain-fart, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
"I don't see Naruto as Itachi's lesser, because Naruto's the main character, and I will not change my warped opinion.".

Don't ever put words in my mouth darling. If there is someone who has stubbornly proved to be unwilling to change his mind here, it's not me.

Have a nice eve.

Originally posted by Bentley
Don't ever put words in my mouth darling. If there is someone who has stubbornly proved to be unwilling to change his mind here, it's not me.

Have a nice eve.

What are you going to do if I do? Huh "darling"? Try to be an internet tough guy all you want, you're still just avoiding the debate and therefor proving yourself to be ignorant of the subject, and childish for even inputting such a biased disagreement in the first place.

"I don't see Itachi as Naruto's superior in defense. I don't think he can easily dodge Naruto. Naruto rapes." These are all things you DID say, which all point to the same thing. You don't understand the topic matter. You DON'T see how strong Itachi's defense is, you DON'T think Itachi could dodge, and you DON'T think Itachi wins. This is all due to the simple fact that you DON'T know what you're talking about.

Since you so obviously want to avoid any further debate, as you're clearly not very well-informed on the series itself, I'll just assume that I've won because I haven't seen a counter-argument yet.

One last thing "darling", you should really avoid joining debates on things you know nothing about. It makes you look pretty stupid. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again with the lack of feats argument. I hate when people say this shit. Just because Itachi's never fought anyone nearly as strong as him, you say he can't do shit. I guess Whiss from DBZ is weak as **** too.

Whis has exactly one real feat, knocking out Bills, and that is really the only feat Whis needs to be the strongest DBZ canon character. Itachi's mirror lacks the feats. You know who else hasn't fought someone nearly as strong as her? Hanabi. Her only canon opponent is Hinata and she sucks. Ergo I can claim that since Hanabi has never been shown having a rival that she is stronger than the Sage, Madara, and Hashirama combined.

This is what you're doing when you say Itachi is stronger than characters like Naruto. The strongest person Itachi has fought was Kabuto and Kabuto is not nearly as strong as Naruto.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Itachi stated Yata mirror could deflect ANY attack. It only had three feats though, so you say it can't deflect anything other than the strongest thing it deflected. Kirin was the power of a thunderstorm, as stated by Sasuke, which is dozens of lightning bolts. The explosion it made even when deflected is superior to any biju that didn't come from the ten tails.

So if SSJG Goku blasted it with a Kamehameha it wouldn't do a thing? After all that is an attack and Yata Mirror can deflect ANY Attack.

Kirin is the strongest thing the Mirror has presumably ever stood up against but you're misremembering the scene. Itachi didn't deflect the attack without a care in the world. His cloak was burnt off and he was knocked to the ground momentarily. He was even bleeding out of the mouth. The mirror, if it was the mirror at all, protected him but he still took quite a hit.

Also the damage done by Kirin was roughly that of a hill while the Bijuu Bomb is a confirmed mountain bust. Itachi barely blocked Kirin so he'll most likely only be able to barely block a Bijuu Bomb(if he can at all) while Naruto has shown that he can fire off multiple at a time.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You obviously accepted the statement from Orochimaru that said the Totsuka blade sealed anyone for all eternity in a drunken stupor, but you don't accept the statement that Yata mirror can deflect anything? Why is that? Maybe because you ignore the facts that don't support your debate? I wonder...

The Totsuka blade has shown the ability to seal two humans. Naruto is a human. Ergo it would logically work on Naruto and there is no reason to question why it wouldn't. Granted how it would work on a Bijuu is another story since they have way more raw chakra than a human but that is another debate for another day.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Naruto has no talent with genjutsu whatsoever. Even when confronted with a 10% full power clone of Itachi, Naruto couldn't dispel his simple genjutsu activated by POINTING. All Itachi has to do is point, and Naruto is getting vaporized by an amaterasu that he can't move to dodge. He might be stronger than Itachi in his RM, but he still has no defense to counter Itachi's techniques, all of which Itachi DOES.

30%. Stop remembering things wrong. And indeed Naruto failed to dispel that genjutsu. Know who didn't? Sakura and Chiyo when they broke him out of it. And as Bee/Gyuki have demonstrated, a Bijuu can break his/her jinchuriki out of genjutsu. Even Itachi's. Tsukuyomi on the other hand probably would work. Too bad Naruto will not get hit by it.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Itachi can counter anything that ANY Naruto dishes out on him, including multiple biju bombs, teleporting(that he can see through, predict and react to at LS),

Nope. And Itachi does not have light speed reactions. The closest he got was reacting to Kirin but that was done by him opening his eyes. And Naruto is faster than the Raikage, who Sasuke could not react to with his Sharingan so why you think Itachi, who could barely react to Kabuto's Sage Mode, is beyond me.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Rasengan variations that he could easily block or dodge, or any other technique that Naruto has. Which isn't many, considering he only spams like five techniques in the whole series. Rasengan, Shadow clones, Teleporting(recently), Biju Bomb(recently) and Sage/KCM modes. Itachi would obliterate him with his massive variety of attacks, as I've just proven.

Naruto doesn't need any Rasengans in this fight. He only needs his Bijuu bombs. Hell he really doesn't even need that since in his current form he reacted to several Bijuu Bombs point blank and deflected all of them without going full Kurama mode. He could literally kick Itachi's head off before the latter did anything.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Still a simple genjutsu followed by Amaterasu finish. She wouldn't even be able to keep up with him in a Taijutsu fight though. Sharingan, speed and strength should all go to him unless she uses her Biju. Then she just gives Itachi a bigger target though, and he either uses Amaterasu, or to avoid her spreading it with her wings, he stabs her with Susano'o real quick.

The scales will prevent the genjutsu, though. No sight, meaning no eye genjutsu or that finger-point genjutsu.

And her taijutsu seemed really fast, she had flight after all.

I'm not saying she'll win, but the quick genjutsu win isn't available.

You guys also need to keep in mind that RM Naruto only fought evenly with Edo Tensei Itachi.

It's not like he pulled out his best tricks or anything. He even had clones elsewhere still fighting- if he had them all there with him, that'd be a lot more to worry about.

One RM Naruto body isn't much different in power from sage. But the ability to make S-class clones is absurdly great.

Originally posted by Q99
The scales will prevent the genjutsu, though. No sight, meaning no eye genjutsu or that finger-point genjutsu.

And her taijutsu seemed really fast, she had flight after all.

I'm not saying she'll win, but the quick genjutsu win isn't available.

Where has it been shown that her scales make it impossible to use genjutsu? Is this an assumption, because I don't remember anything being said about that. Either way, Itachi could still use the finger genjutsu. I'm not saying her Biju couldn't wake her up out of it, but not in the time that it would take Itachi to land an amaterasu or a Susano'o stab.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Whis has exactly one real feat, knocking out Bills, and that is really the only feat Whis needs to be the strongest DBZ canon character. Itachi's mirror lacks the feats. You know who else hasn't fought someone nearly as strong as her? Hanabi. Her only canon opponent is Hinata and she sucks. Ergo I can claim that since Hanabi has never been shown having a rival that she is stronger than the Sage, Madara, and Hashirama combined.

This is what you're doing when you say Itachi is stronger than characters like Naruto. The strongest person Itachi has fought was Kabuto and Kabuto is not nearly as strong as Naruto.

So if SSJG Goku blasted it with a Kamehameha it wouldn't do a thing? After all that is an attack and Yata Mirror can deflect ANY Attack.

Kirin is the strongest thing the Mirror has presumably ever stood up against but you're misremembering the scene. Itachi didn't deflect the attack without a care in the world. His cloak was burnt off and he was knocked to the ground momentarily. He was even bleeding out of the mouth. The mirror, if it was the mirror at all, protected him but he still took quite a hit.

Also the damage done by Kirin was roughly that of a hill while the Bijuu Bomb is a confirmed mountain bust. Itachi barely blocked Kirin so he'll most likely only be able to barely block a Bijuu Bomb(if he can at all) while Naruto has shown that he can fire off multiple at a time.

The Totsuka blade has shown the ability to seal two humans. Naruto is a human. Ergo it would logically work on Naruto and there is no reason to question why it wouldn't. Granted how it would work on a Bijuu is another story since they have way more raw chakra than a human but that is another debate for another day.

30%. Stop remembering things wrong. And indeed Naruto failed to dispel that genjutsu. Know who didn't? Sakura and Chiyo when they broke him out of it. And as Bee/Gyuki have demonstrated, a Bijuu can break his/her jinchuriki out of genjutsu. Even Itachi's. Tsukuyomi on the other hand probably would work. Too bad Naruto will not get hit by it.

Nope. And Itachi does not have light speed reactions. The closest he got was reacting to Kirin but that was done by him opening his eyes. And Naruto is faster than the Raikage, who Sasuke could not react to with his Sharingan so why you think Itachi, who could barely react to Kabuto's Sage Mode, is beyond me.

Naruto doesn't need any Rasengans in this fight. He only needs his Bijuu bombs. Hell he really doesn't even need that since in his current form he reacted to several Bijuu Bombs point blank and deflected all of them without going full Kurama mode. He could literally kick Itachi's head off before the latter did anything.

Whiss could have been using some kind of special attack to do that. I don't think he did, but it's possible. Something like that is similar to calling Babidi one of the strongest DBZ character's because he could seal Buu with a single phrase. Hanabi has never even been stated to be close to the level of Sakura, let alone Hashirama, Madara or the Sage. The Yata mirror HAS been stated to be able to deflect ANY attack... At least in that series. For example, while Itachi or Naruto could rape nearly anyone in Bleach, Yamamoto could very likely MELT the Yata mirror with his one million degree celsius bankai. He would most likely get killed with a single rasen-shuriken or slash from Itachi's partial Susano'o. It's just a difference in techniques. Even comparing Hanabi to Itachi makes you look hilarious.

Are you retarded? Not to be rude or anything, but you just made yourself look pretty stupid. Itachi blocking four mountain busters and an island buster is completely different than a UNIVERSE BUSTING KAMEHAMEHA WAVE FROM SSJG GOKU. Itachi said the Yata mirror can block any attack. He was obviously only talking about the attacks he's seen. I doubt he could block a ten tails biju wave with it, but he's never seen that attack, so that wasn't included in the statement. He has seen biju balls from other biju though, so it's logical to assume that they were included in that statement. I also doubt it could block a stab from Naruto and Sasuke's Nine Tailed Susano'o Amaterasu Biju ball sword(I mean he definitely couldn't, as the God's blade was basically eaten by it), but again, he's never seen or heard of that, so he couldn't make an accurate guess or statement about it. He has seen everything Naruto could do by himself though(which is basic jinchuriki stuff along with some Rasengan variants, which were easily blocked by Pain's offense, which Itachi could presumably block), so his statement fits around that.

I agree that it's a rational assumption to make that the totsuka blade could possibly fail to seal something with such high amounts of energy, but it sealed Nagato, who has MUCH more chakra than a biju, considering he was soloing Naruto and Bee, before absorbing a ton of Bee's and the Hachibi's chakra. That proves alone that no Biju level chakra could stand up to its sealing power. However, again, planet busting+ like in DBZ is completely different. Sealing a mountain buster is nothing compared to someone who vaporizes solar systems, galaxies, and even universes with little effort. It's on a different scale, and it's silly to compare the two. ❌

I'm aware that Sakura and Chiyo broke him out of it. However, Naruto doesn't get support characters for this unless Itachi does too, which would include Madara and Obito, which... makes this even funnier, lol.

I also know that the Kyuubi can break Naruto out of genjutsu's. However, as shown, it does take a few seconds to do so. In those few seconds, Naruto could have been sealed in a drunken stupor for all eternity, caught on fire with an undying flame hotter than Hell, trapped in a world of genjutsu where Itachi is god and Naruto is subject to endless torment, vaporized with a fully powered Yasaka Magatama while he's defenseless, or killed by a variety of Itachi's abilities that would waste him in a second. The possibilities are endless. Kyuubi would be useless in this, as Naruto would be killed before the Genjutsu could be broken, and Kyuubi would die along with him. 👆

Kabuto had prepared himself SPECIFICALLY to be able to fight against Itachi and Sasuke's sharingans. He even blinded himself so he wouldn't get caught in Tsukiyomi. If Naruto fought Kabuto he would probably win, but if he fought Madara he would get raped. Itachi could fight on Madara's level if he was at his peak, while possibly winning if he was able to seal him with the Totsuka blade or trap him in Tsukiyomi.

IIRC, Sasuke said Kirin moved as fast as light itself. If that's right, Itachi has light speed reactions, even while at his weakest. Even if it's not, he still has faster reactions than Sage mode Kabuto, who has better reaction than Naruto from his Dragon Sage Mode, because he could still dodge his attacks with Sharingan. I'm not saying Itachi is faster than Naruto. I'm not retarded. However, I am saying his reactions would even it out, because Naruto wouldn't be able to counter Itachi's hax abilities. Naruto would win in a long fight, but Itachi would try to kill him right off the bat, and would succeed. No matter how this plays out, Naruto could only win by making this a long range fight, which would still probably end with his loss because he wouldn't be able to tag Itachi without teleporting to him, which he would predict and use genjutsu to counter before instantly spraying him with Amaterasu and finishing him.

Either way, Itachi still has his fail-safe. Izanami. No matter what happens, if Itachi used that, it would be over for Naruto. Sure Itachi would lose one of his eyes, but he would still win.

Itachi could react to anything Naruto could do, and tag him with a quick genjutsu, before vaporizing him before Naruto could do shit about it.

Anyway, Naruto blows Itachi up with a Biju Ball.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Anyway, Naruto blows Itachi up with a Biju Ball.

Why do you feel the need to post when you can't even make a legitimate argument? If you feel this way, then either provide a counter-argument with evidence supporting your claim, or just stop being an obvious troll. You're still not as good as DP, so just get back to schlicking in your uncles mini-van. 👆

I didn't read your argument, nor did I need to.

Itachi has no counter to a biju ball.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Where has it been shown that her scales make it impossible to use genjutsu? Is this an assumption, because I don't remember anything being said about that. Either way, Itachi could still use the finger genjutsu. I'm not saying her Biju couldn't wake her up out of it, but not in the time that it would take Itachi to land an amaterasu or a Susano'o stab.

Eye genjutsu- requires sight. Finger genjutsu- requires sight.

Scales- blocks sight!

The best way to fight Itachi is when sight is shut down, because most of his genjutsu is visual in nature.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I didn't read your argument, nor did I need to.

Itachi has no counter to a biju ball.

Except the Yata mirror, which shrugged off the explosion of a Biju bomb, Planetary Devastation, Yasaka Magatama and Mega Rasen-shuriken all at once.

Naruto has no counter to Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, or the Totsuka blade, all of which Itachi could land by distracting him with a simple finger genjutsu. 👆

Originally posted by Q99
Eye genjutsu- requires sight. Finger genjutsu- requires sight.

Scales- blocks sight!

The best way to fight Itachi is when sight is shut down, because most of his genjutsu is visual in nature.

How do the scales block sight? By reflection? It's not as if she could block his sight before he could point at her, lol. I'm not saying that would finish her, but it would definitely give him an opening to finish her with almost any of his hax techniques that can be activated easily.

I'm aware that's the best way to fight him, but it's a little harder to do than reflecting sunlight off your scales. Itachi has sharingan, and can distinguish chakra with his eyes closed, to the point where he could use the finger genjutsu by pointing towards the mass of Biju chakra he sensed coming from Fuu, lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I didn't read your argument, nor did I need to.

Itachi has no counter to a biju ball.

:/

Naruto isn't putting down the Yata Mirror and Susano'o that easily. Not to mention genjutsu which would screw Naruto over if he isn't careful.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Except the Yata mirror, which shrugged off the explosion of a Biju bomb, Planetary Devastation, Yasaka Magatama and Mega Rasen-shuriken all at once.

No it didn't. The best it's protected from is Kirin. Naruto's biju bomb is much more powerful.

Naruto has no counter to Tsukiyomi,

Tanks it due to being a perfect biju host.

Amaterasu, or the Totsuka blade,

Dodges it.

all of which Itachi could land by distracting him with a simple finger genjutsu. 👆

Ineffective.

This is also ignoring that Naruto is considerably faster.

Naruto wins. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
No it didn't. The best it's protected from is Kirin. Naruto's biju bomb is much more powerful.

Tanks it due to being a perfect biju host.

Dodges it.

Ineffective.

This is also ignoring that Naruto is considerably faster.

Naruto wins. 👆

Yes it did. When he was Edo Tensei and used Koto Amatsukami to control himself. They all shot their ranged jutsus and the explosion covered the entire area. Itachi was unscathed when the smoke blew away with the Yata mirror covering him and the Totsuka blade sticking into Nagato's chest. If Nagato with the Rinnegan can't dodge it, then Naruto couldn't in his wildest dreams.

Do you even know what Tsukiyomi is? I'm pretty sure that using simple genjutsu to control the Nine Tails proves that they can be easily ****ed over by Tsukiyomi. 👆

How could he dodge it if Itachi covered his Susano'o and the area around himself with it? Naruto would use Biju bomb, it would get blocked making a huge dust cloud, and Itachi would have already stabbed Naruto before he could react.

Ineffective? I seem to remember the only time Killer Bee demonstrated that the Hachibii could break genjutsu for him, it took him a few seconds to do so. Killer Bee is a MUCH more skilled Biju host than Naruto, so in the time it took him to break the genjutsu, he'd already be vaporized or sealed.

Naruto is faster, but Itachi can counter his speed with impenetrable defense and reactions that make his speed a moot point.

Itachi wins. 👆